"It's hinted that Falco may have originated from Zoness (or at least spent a significant amount of time on there), as during the Zoness mission in Star Fox 64, Falco shows the most horror, disgust, and sadness at what happened to it. (Peppy says a surprised "This is Zoness?!", while Slippy just gives a blunt "What a dump!", Falco shows a rare sense of disgust and sadness as to what happened, as evident when he says in a depressed tone "I can't believe they did this..." and "I hear ya, Slippy")"

I can see the logic behind that idea, but it still seems a bit of a stretch to me. First of all though, where is Corneria listed as his homeworld? Does that too come from a player's guide?

Also, concerning his species, it's pretty clear where his name comes from, and not only that, but the shape of his beak would indicate that he is some kind of bird of prey...but I've never seen or heard of a falcon with blue and red plumage. Should we just look past the color of his feathers and take it as an artistic liberty, and call him a falcon, or should we play it safe and just call him a bird? Jimbo-Jambo

No. He's a falcon, and that's why his name is Falco. His colors are just exotic. Yes, Falco may have been toZoness before, but there is no proof of him actually living there. His homeworld is Corneria, so that stays. Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 17:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It almost sounds like you're trying to convince me that he's not from Zoness. I'm not saying he is, I'm just trying to clear it up so we can change his homeworld from "Corneria (Though also hined to be Zoness)" to just "Corneria," but I'm also wondering where the information that he's from Corneria comes from. Is that from the player's guide, or is it assumed since just about every other character is from Corneria? Jimbo-Jambo

Well think about it. Corneria is like Earth, as it is the planet 4th (although Earth is third) from Solar, which serves as the sun. It's population of living beings is far greater than any other planet. Most characters originate from there. Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 19:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not denying that it's likely, but we can't just assume it, not for any of the characters. If it is not stated by an official source that a character was born on Corneria, we simply cannot put that on the page. Jimbo-Jambo

Anon beat me to it while I was waiting for a response. Speaking of which, does the homeworld information on these character pages have a source, or did whoever wrote the articles just assume that they all came from Corneria? You said your cousins owned the player's guide, right? Any chance you could scan and upload the pages here? Jimbo-Jambo

I asked them and they said they should have it somewhere. I'll ask them to mail it to me once it is retrieved. Blue Ninjakoopa

Until there is solid evidence shown, I believe the homeworld section should be changed to "unknown." Anything else would be merely speculation, and speculation shouldn't be a part of a gaming wiki. ^^ Equidna rojo 15:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Contents 1 Feather color in infobox 2 What about Slippy? 3 Trivia 4 VOTE 4.1 Trivia before Gallery! 4.2 Gallery before Trivia! 4.3 Separate Trivia page with link! 4.4 Facts 5 Not that this is actually important... 6 A Phesant? 7 My favorite pilot and character

Feather color in infoboxEdit

Should we add a Feather color space in the infobox just for Falco? It would be a lot more useful in there were more bird characters, but he's the only one in the series so far. Would it be worth it, or would it just be a waste? Jimbo-Jambo

You can try. Blue Ninjakoopa

What about Slippy?Edit

Falco is notably the only post-James era Star Fox Member who had ever gotten into a dogfight against Fox (albeit in Farewell, Beloved Falco), and the first of the post-James era Star Fox member to actually dogfight one of his/her own teammates (in the Katina mission in Star Fox Assault, Krystal was seen chasing and shooting at Slippy at one point.)

In Starfox Command, during the Boss battle of the "Octoman's Ruse" mission, a brainwashed Slippy is "fought". technically, Slippy was in a dogfight against Starfox, would an addition including this information be acceptable? Equidna rojo 15:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's a bit different as Slippy wasn't actually a member of Star Fox anymore.

True, but even though the team disbanded, Slippy was still part of Fox's "temporary team"--Equidna rojo 21:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

About Krystal chasing slippy.That was probably a glitch with the teammate AI, caused by an enemy that is chasing another teammate either getting shot down by the first teammate from directly behind, or the enemy dodging and disengaging. In Star Fox 64, when the Star Wolf team appeared on Bolse, I was able to trick Pigma into chasing and shooting down Andrew by using a U-turn and disengaging pursuit of Andrew while Pigma was behind me. Result: 1 fried monkey, and 1 embarrassed pig. I guess that's why Pigma got kicked out of Star Wolf. Canis Shepalute 03:58, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

I so gotta tell my guy about that! He claims to be the master of Star Fox 64... no doubt he's tried, but I just gotta find out XDD

1. Please sign your posts. 2. I attempted it a second time on Venom, this time with Wolf behind me while chasing Leon. When I disengaged, Wolf shot at Leon a few times, but then returned to chasing me. I guess the type of enemy determines if you can use friendly fire to your advantage, as the Wolfen and Wolfen 2 seem to have different AI patterns. Canis Shepalute 01:47, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia Edit

I really think the Trivia-sections should be before the gallery-sections in articles. That's the way they do in Wikitroid, and in my opinion, it works great. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 07:21, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

No. BNK ^[E|T|C] 22:20, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with DarkSamus. XSuperGamer^Talk 22:43, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

No. BNK ^[E|T|C] 23:08, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why not. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 07:26, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, we need to discuss this, it should be the whole community's collective decision after all! DarkSamus⁸⁹ 08:14, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I look at it this way: sections and their information like "Trivia" and "External links" are what I consider "outer info". If we slot trivia in between the gallery and the external links, then the page has a piece of it taken and placed out of order. It just looks sloppy, and Wikitroid (especially its Link article) is a sort of sloppy Wiki, since ChozoBoy uploads a lot of unrelated images and uses them in the unrelated articles. Since when do you think this place is the same as Wikitroid, and that it should do everything it does, by the way? BNK ^[E|T|C] 23:50, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, time for me to look at both sides of the argument. I have to say that trivia would actually look out of place if it was positioned before the gallery, but then again, the trivia section looks like it should be put on it's own sub page, similar to how Launchballer's userspace is set up on the Sonic News Network, or the trivia and strategy sections on Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia's card articles. Barring the extra trivia page, I believe the trivia section should stay where it is, but have a link near the top of the page, seperate from the contents box, that leads users to that section if they want to read it. Some people can't stand trivia, and others care about nothing else. Canis Shepalute 05:41, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

@Canis: Ugh... A separate article just for trivia? Sounds a bit awkward to me...

@BNK: Wikitroid is just ten times bigger than we are, there kind and knowing people and in every way working and active community, this is why I see Wikitroid as a good example. And in my opinion, the First text, then pictures just works. But of course, references, external links and such come after gallery. But to me, trivia is an integral part of the article like any other text section. I see your point though. I've now that I've checked many other wikis, and they use both styles.

@Everyone: It seems we have to vote, because we have three opinions, each having one supporter. OK? DarkSamus⁸⁹ 06:58, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

VOTE Edit

Since nobody's against it, I now call for a vote. The meaning of this vote is to end the dispute about the locations of trivia and gallery -sections in articles. Just write your user name below a section, remember to add both a # and your signature (just type ~~~~). You can also add some reasoning if you want.

Trivia before Gallery!Edit

1. Text before images is what I prefer. Minor section or not. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 15:17, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
2. Yes. REFERENCE: If you look down at the facts section I made, most wikis put trivia before the gallery. XSuperGamer^Talk 17:57, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
3. What XSuperGamer said: Most wikis have the trivia before the gallery, and it just makes more sense that way because the trivia is like a text extension of the article, and then when you're all done reading everything, you have the pictures (if any) to look at. Dogman15 08:37, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery before Trivia!Edit

1. @DarkSamus - That's exactly right, it's what YOU prefer. If we simply must split hairs, I'll rally people from off-wiki. BNK ^[E|T|C] 16:28, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

"If we simply must split hairs, I'll rally people from off-wiki." That sounds pretty corupt to me. I'm starting to feel as though Arwingpedia is being mismanaged. Canis Shepalute 16:30, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

DarkSamus just annoys me with his ideas, which subsequently lack all possible thought. Why do we need to be the same as any other Wiki? Why the hell can't we be different? And technically, my "army" of users are actually users here: Smoreking and Kperfekt... so yeah, there goes your entire post. BNK ^[E|T|C] 22:33, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Annoy with my ideas??? What do you have against me??? Is it because I'm 5 years older than you??? Why can't you accept the fact that not everyone will agree with you??? Why do you try to force us to be different??? Why can't you just let the community decide??? This really is not your decision! This is our collective decision! DarkSamus⁸⁹ 06:30, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

I...good enough. But what does your age have to do with anything?? BNK ^[E|T|C] 12:25, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, sometimes immature/childish people have hard time accepting criticism from people who are of their age or just a bit older than they are. But luckily, it seems that doesn't apply to you. And sorry if I went too far :( DarkSamus⁸⁹ 13:25, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think that gallery should be before the trivia - as it the object in question is more important than coincidences it has to other information. I think that in general, there should maybe be a link to all trivia anyway. it would just cut time out of finding random trivia and would be resourceful. Shanderson 17:32, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Separate Trivia page with link!Edit

1. And then there's my idea, which I doubt would have support but seems to work very well on a few really large wikis like Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia. It would keep the page cleaner, and we could do the same with the Gallery if need be. Canis Shepalute 16:55, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

No. BNK ^[E|T|C] 18:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm going to agree with BNK on this idea. NO. XSuperGamer^Talk 18:58, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Just as a little side-note, these don't count as minus votes. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 08:46, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ok... I vote for a third option and my head gets ripped off. What ever happened to a free polling system? Canis Shepalute 16:24, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that was too approppriate from those two... What's going on here??? DarkSamus⁸⁹ 06:30, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

FactsEdit

Here are links to different wikis on which a trivia section and a gallery section is present. XSuperGamer^Talk

Mario Wiki Trivia before gallery

Zelda Wiki Gallery is before trivia

Metroid Wiki Trivia is before gallery. @DarkSamus89 - the Samus aran gallery is awesome.

Kirby Wiki Trivia is before the gallery. @BNK, I thought you were from the kirby wiki.

Jak and Daxter Wiki Trivia is before Gallery

Halo Wiki Trivia comes before gallery.

No More Heroes Wiki Trivia before gallery

StarCraft Wiki Gallery is before trivia (notes)

Gundam Wiki Trivia before gallery

Left 4 Dead Wiki Trivia (notes) is before the gallery

Resident Evil Wiki Trivia before gallery

WoWWiki Trivia before gallery

Heroes of Might and Magic Wiki Gallery before trivia

We're not going to follow a different Wikia's style just because one user likes it that way. Have you lost your mind? BNK ^[E|T|C] 18:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

No.
I'm just saying, the majority of wikis do trivia first, then gallery. CONFORM! Why be different? Be like everybody else. Oh great now I sound like a communist. XSuperGamer^Talk 19:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC) NOTE: I am not a communist or a socialist. I do not affiliate myself with republicans (conservatives) or democrats (liberals). Instead, I take the middle of the road between the conservatives and the democrats. NEUTRAL! Not on one end or the other. In the middle.

Also, we need to put up a site notice so all users will know to vote. XSuperGamer^Talk 19:06, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

o_O I'm SO confused. I really don't think this is such a big deal... Why do you have to act like this would mean anything? This was meant to be a simple vote, but it seems to turn to a war <_< If majority of our community wants one way, why do the other? DarkSamus⁸⁹ 08:46, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed the same thing. I just mention an alternitive to either layout, and my head gets ripped off. Canis Shepalute 16:27, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

@XSuperGamer - This is why I asked you about losing your mind: Kirby Wiki doesn't place the trivia above the gallery. You're lying, and I am in the right mind to make it so your vote means nothing. BNK ^[E|T|C] 22:34, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

...I just now clicked on the link and it did...... Kirby's and blade knight's pages do, but not bonkers'. XSuperGamer^Talk 01:38, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

...That sounds like abuse of the admin rights to me... DarkSamus⁸⁹ 06:30, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Is this REALLY THAT IMPORTANT!? WHO CARES what the order is? So long as it is uniform and follows all the other pages to the STAR FOX WIKI... it doesn't matter what OTHER wiki's do. This is YOUR domain. do whatever the hell you want. you are all poking each other over really trivial things. we are all here because we love star fox - lets do something NOT SEEN ON OTHER WIkis. speaking of which - this "community" isn't that deep. it is obvious that less than ten people contribute or comment anywhere. So your bell curve of distribution is likely to be even anyway - resulting in a tie or a close enough result to where people will still argue.

I am just a peon among these "veterans" of this page, but even passerby can tell when a group of people have lost their marbles... There are more important things... Shanderson 05:55, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

If every user does not agree with something, we must have a vote. And you're right, this is pretty trivial, but this is what we have come to. And yes, our active community currently consists of 4 active users, + some random people. But it's still better than nothing. It's not worth it to let this die. The arguing tells how much we care about this place, and that we want it to be a good place to visit, not a dump. So if you want to make this a better place, cast your vote and stop whining :D DarkSamus⁸⁹ 07:36, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

In that regard, the only constant dissenting opinion is from BNK. I vote with you Samus and XSuper. Is that not three to one? how long do you hold a ballot open for? there are some comments from others up top, but they havnt responded to anything. close the discussion. why isn't it just in the views of the admin anyway? Would I have a say as to the layout or skin or organization of this entire site - even if that means a vote? that seems obsurd. having that sort of power is something you earn via content and not through this bullshit of voting on "heated" topics. put a close deadline on this page for voting, and lets please move on. Shanderson 16:06, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Someone's grumpy today :D Just why are you so furiously against our system? We close the vote when it seems approppriate to us. Also, if you want to vote, place your vote under the option you want to vote for. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 19:06, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

"We"? You're the one who started the "voting" bullshit, DarkSamus, but did I oppose that? No, it would have been "abusive", so I allowed that dumb incentive. Apparently, it isn't working. I still think that placing the gallery before the trivia is more logical, and the way you convinced this moron to oppose my idea was very insidious of you (something highly unexpected). While I'm here, both of you need to shut the hell up. Stop flooding this damned page; if you two have personal qualms, work it out on either of your own talk pages. Thanks, BNK ^[E|T|C] 23:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Eeeeek! More grumpy people! ...Sigh... I thought we settled this stupid little war already. First of all, I have not tried to convince anyone to support either option, and if I really have, I have not done it intentionally. Also, I and Shanderson are not having any of these "personal qualms". You don't know how delighted I'd be if you just stopped considering me your personal nemesis. It makes it a lot harder for me to like being here... I no more am surprized why JimboJambo left... DarkSamus⁸⁹ 08:05, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I can't really take you all too seriously, DarkSamus, to be perfectly honest. If you're wondering why, look at your posts; what are you, eight? If I can remember correctly, you were the one accusing me of being "out to get you" because you were "five years older". Maybe you should try acting your age? Just a suggestion. Jimbo Jambo was a pest; the majority of his contributions were direct flames and a bunch of badgering. Nothing good would come of him, so it was beneficial that he left. By "personal qualms", I meant your childish argument with Shanderson (talk about "big boys"). He is right, however. This entire voting incentive is a waste of time; there isn't much need for it. Honestly! I don't hate you, either. I don't see any point in wasting my time hating people on the internet. Really, where is the logic in that? Last time I checked, you were an administrator, and I granted you those abilities because of your good faith edits and understanding of our few policies. Also, as an added note, I do not consider you a "personal nemesis", but a "good pal". I apologize if I appear hostile, but I'm simply arguing your points. Nothing personal. BNK ^[E|T|C] 17:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

...Well, then we both have someone we don't take seriously. Or at least that's what I'm struggling to do... And I really can't see what makes my posts look like they've been posted by an 8-year-old. In my personal, honest opinion, I've been trying to be just, professional, arbitrary and fair, take everyone's opinion into account and not assault anyone or their opinions. Why I took Jimbo into this, is that he at least did not assault people's opinions like you do, that's what he didn't like in you, and neither does anyone else. He seemed to know what he was doing, and acted the way I'd expect from an Admin. And about the voting, you cannot seriously claim it is better to have those silly edit/undo competitions on articles, than settle things by voting. This fighting itself is by far more useless than voting. If you really don't hate me, I'm awaiting you to show it. All you've said to me lately radiates your hate towards me, and I've tried to avoid doing the same thing myself. Of course I know you don't agree with me in that (or in pretty much anything...), but that is how I feel. And just so you know, attacking someone's opinions that furiously just is a bit personal. I really don't know how I could bring an end to this fight... Anything I say, you turn against me, and make sound like an idiot, a terrible person and a child. None of which I personally think I am. I really no more know if it's really worth it coming here just to do some more useless battling and get insulted... And for what?

Nothing. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 18:45, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, your attempts at trying to single me out in order to make me appear as the superbad public enemy are what show your ignorance, for one. You seem to try to twist things... it isn't very wrong to bring out the true meaning of your childish posts. Everything I say to you, you attempt trying to make me look as if I'm trying to make you look like "an idiot", which is what your posts show you're being. Did I say that we should start countless edit wars on pages instead of voting? You're trying to make it appear as if I'm saying things that... well, I'm not saying. I don't know what drives you to think that you can garner sympathy from comments like "I see no point in coming here" or "omg u h8 me!!1"; what are you trying to say, tbh? That you don't want to be here anymore? If you want to leave, then leave. You don't have to stay on my account, and it won't hurt the wiki very much. Wait, before you begin assuming things again! Am I telling you to leave? No, I'm actually convincing you to stay. You could help with this persuasion by looking back at your constructive edits. Leaving a Wiki shows that you "quit" because things didn't go your way, but users who do quit usually try to blame it on someone else (in this case, you're blaming me). Jimbo Jambo never experienced my views of consensus, so there goes that chunk about him imaginatively being "on your side". He doesn't have your opinions, and he probably would disapprove of your views in general. But I don't know that, now do I? When I respond to your walls, why do you think I'm attacking you? Sure, my words are blunt and to the point, but this is the internet. I really don't need to sugarcoat everything I write in response to your comments. Again, I don't hate you. No one hates you; stop trying to look innocent. How do I "assault people's opinions"? Is it hostile to quote you? When you see your own text and you realize how dumb it made you look, why do you get angry at me? If anyone is trying to make you look bad, it's you. I don't think trivia should be above the gallery; does calling it sloppy mean I'm directly attacking your posts? No, it's the general idea. Your reason "lOL WIKITROID DOS IT WE SHUD 2!!!!1" is not backed by any facts whatsoever, but your opinion. So is mine, which is why this is whole argument is pointless. We could be arguing over what information to add or take away from the article, not where a section should be placed. Above all things, I feel I should clarify that typing "DarkSamus, this doesn't make any sense!" definitely does not equal "DarkSamus, you're a ****ing moron!", so why do you continue to make my posts out to be of the like? Lastly, you're being an arbitrary pest, not "fair", not "professional", and definitely not "just". I advise you to make sure your next wall is less of a giant personal attack, otherwise you won't ever have a response. :( BNK ^[E|T|C] 21:57, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so the facts are, we both obviously hate each other, seem like childs to each other, and we both make each other look very bad. If I just reverted your edit where you put the gallery before trivia, it would have either started an edit/undo war or a vote. Which is better? I'm not gathering any sympathy votes, just pondering if I care enough of this place to come back here to stand you. Leaving this wiki would only show, that I'd be the second Admin to leave this place because of you. And who knows how many regular users you've startled. I've never claimed Jimbo would be on my side on anything, but my point is, that he did leave because of you. You can't deny that. And now, it is going to happen again, if we're unable change the direction. You don't listen to people, yet you expect people to listen to you. Internet shouldn't prevent you from being kind, patient and helpful, though for some reason, that's what it does to you. Referring to this, and a myriad of posts on your talk page, among many other pages. I totally am not the only person thinking you're hostile. And calling the voting system bullshit and me an arbitrary pest does sound very hostile to me indeed. I agree with this "DarkSamus, this doesn't make any sense!" definitely does not equal "DarkSamus, you're a ****ing moron!" -thing, but I don't see where I have put an equation mark between something like these two. And please consider leaving this matter be. We are all humans, none of us is perfect. We gain nothing by grinding through this pointless matter over and over. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 09:09, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Okay, so the facts are, we both obviously hate each other, seem like childs to each other, and we both make each other look very bad."

No, those actually aren't the facts. For the last time, I don't hate you. It seems as though you aren't even listening. Talk about "childs"... you meant to say "children", right? Yeah, you're definitely more mature, with your incredible grammar and whatnot!

"If I just reverted your edit where you put the gallery before trivia, it would have either started an edit/undo war or a vote. Which is better?"

Why do you keep trying to make out that I'm saying things that I am indeed not saying, even after I've told you what I actually said? Are you even reading my posts? You say I attack people, but you're not even understanding my context. It seems as though everything to you is a "personal jab" and that "everyone is out to get you", when that is untrue. Did I say we should start an edit war? Find a quote from me where specifically said "Hey, let's start an edit war!", OK? Even though a quote of that kind does not exist, I'm sure you're just going to make up something.

"I'm not gathering any sympathy votes, just pondering if I care enough of this place to come back here to stand you. Leaving this wiki would only show, that I'd be the second Admin to leave this place because of you. And who knows how many regular users you've startled."

Jimbo Jambo is not an admin... he didn't leave because of me, he left because (according to his e-mail) he had nothing more to contribute, and I revoked his adminship. He now resides at Pikipedia, but he didn't "leave because of me". Also, if you left, it would be because "the Falco page didn't fit your criteria" and that "we all need to copy the styles of other Wikias", not "because of me". The sad part is that you know this, but again, you're only trying to make me look like some kind of cyberbully by blaming me for your apparent "sadness". So really, what gives? Why are you being an dick? Also, none of the regular users seem to have a problem with me... just you, in your humerous (yet annoying) attempt to antagonize me with empty threats to retire.

"I've never claimed Jimbo would be on my side on anything, but my point is, that he did leave because of you. You can't deny that. And now, it is going to happen again, if we're unable change the direction."

...No? (refer to my above post)

"You don't listen to people, yet you expect people to listen to you. Internet shouldn't prevent you from being kind, patient and helpful, though for some reason, that's what it does to you."

Where is your sense of logic? Do you have any idea what you just said? A better question: are you serious? The fact is that this IS the internet, not a tea party. No one needs to be "kind" to you, and patience/helpfulness aren't any recorded effects of internet impact, so what are you trying to say? That my computer screen can magically alter my emotions? For the record, tbh, I have been kind, I have been patient, and I have been helpful. I don't "expect people to listen to me"; this isn't a totalitarian system, DarkSamus. I'm not going to murder you if you disagree with me once, but I am always prepared to stand by my opinion (or whatever it is), even if that means arguing with people. Quit basing your walls on these wild falsehoods, because it isn't helping you.

"Referring to this, and a myriad of posts on your talk page, among many other pages."

Uh.. do you think I have a problem with the voting system? I've been a part of it before, and there weren't any problems. My talk page has nothing to do with the argument, but for a fun fact, you're acting a lot like the troll who decided to attack me on my talk page. The majority of his posts were "oMG STOP ATTACKNG ME BY RESPONDING TO MY POSTS WITH REASON I SHOULD LEAVE", and the like.

"I totally am not the only person thinking you're hostile. And calling the voting system bullshit and me an arbitrary pest does sound very hostile to me indeed."

In your opinion, I'm "hostile" because I'm arguing your ridiculous points. On the subject of this supposed "name-calling", calling your points "ridiculous" is not hostility in any way. If I were truly a hostile user, I would troll, barrage you with personal attacks, and mock your words, then everything else would be un-related filler material... kinda like what I did here. I called you an arbitrary pest because A) you're being annoying and B) you aren't listening to reason.

"I agree with this "DarkSamus, this doesn't make any sense!" definitely does not equal "DarkSamus, you're a ****ing moron!" -thing, but I don't see where I have put an equation mark between something like these two."

That's what you're doing now... calling me "hostile" simply because I'm arguing your points. It doesn't make sense, and is borderline paranoia.

"And please consider leaving this matter be. We are all humans, none of us is perfect. We gain nothing by grinding through this pointless matter over and over."

None of us are perfect, you mean. If you call it pointless, why do you continue to make it out as a very large, emergency situation? Furthermore, I find your hit-and-run tactic very laudable. BNK ^[E|T|C] 17:10, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Those are facts. You merely avoid admitting you're doing the exact same thing as I am. I just am not calling you by names... Neither of us is behaving like we are expected to. We're Admins, but we behave like children. I never stated you would definitely start an edit war, I said, that we would either start an edit war or we'd have a vote. Jimbo was an Admin. Like you could cover that up >_< And if he indeed didn't leave because of you, then why did you apologize your behaviour to him, while begging him to come back? While I agree with that you don't have to be kind on the internet, it will definitely make people take you far more seriously and people will like you. With the rest of that section, I don't agree with. You may have tried to be kind patient and helpful, but as you would've said, you've "failed tragically". You definitely have a problem with the voting system if you call it bullshit. You did however pull it of fine once, but why not twice? Why did you suddenly label the voting system bullshit and still claim you didn't? And as a matter of fact you're no more losing the vote either, so I can't see why you hate it... And now you called me an dick and paranoid. Yet you still claim not being hostile? You attack me with your choice of words over and over again. Oh, and thank you for the previous post, it was far easier to reply to than the previous few in both style and content. Keep it up. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 07:28, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, are you trolling, DarkSamus? I'm having a hard time approaching your last post... no, really. I'm beginning to think you aren't reading my posts, or maybe you're replying more than once to only one of my walls... but you're definitely not listening. Speaking of Jimbo Jambo, I can see how he feels; he knew he didn't have to argue anymore because I wasn't even arguing back, but throwing outsourced personal attacks at him by the bullet. He knew arguing with an idiot wouldn't go anywhere, which is what is happening here. I keep telling you in my walls what's behind my reason... and you continue to call me a "child" (in italics!), "hostile", and, laudably, some sort of direct "copy" of you. If you look closely and actually comprehend my words, you wouldn't be so quick to say that I'm "acting like you", which I clearly am not. Grammar, for example, is one thing that separates my words from yours. There is actually a fine difference between saying that you're "acting like/being a dick" than directly calling you one; I said that in a tense that you're acting like something that contrasts your regular behavior, which, in this case, is dickery. It has become clear that you are only building up the argument with repetitive filler, dried accusations brought from old posts, and trolling (lol), so I no longer have anything to say. Does this mean you've won? No, definitely not, in fact you lost about a wall ago. But my point is that right now, I'm digging deeper into the conflict simply by responding to you; this won't ever get anywhere, because your replies are all just synonymous of your previous posts. In the future, however, I suggest you learn to cope with disapproval, and not to react so violently to users who manage to scope out the obvious flaw in your logic. For reference, I will probably never check this section again for reasons, other than to see whether or not someone has broken the current tie, should you reply here, so it's entirely up to you whether or not you take my advice. Enjoy the rest of your day, BNK ^[E|T|C] 16:42, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, let me get this straight. Neither of us is a winner here, and neither is a loser. Since you are clearly too stubborn to do this yourself, hear these words I say: I'm ready to forget this whole thing, on one condition: you merely have to admit, that you've acted just as childishly as me, and were just as much of a dick as me, without calling me anything or blaming me of anything. If you are able to do that, I see this problem solved and our argument over. I shall return to what I was doing before this fight started. That, if I'm trying to prove or gain something by doing this, I leave for your conscience. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 17:13, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

lol, ds, bnk's ego is way too massive to admit someting like that! Even when hes wrong! u rly shouldnt argue with him, he gets angry for no reason and reads everything you write as an attack against him, even if u just want to make ur point clear! and bnk, ds didnt convince sanderson against u, that guy voted actually with u! And thats what started this whole crap talk, right? Settle your differences god dammit! this wiki cant afford losing people because of someting like this!

Relabel your votes to two distict collumns. just put your name - leave discussions up top. you are right, darksamus; i am a bit peeved at this. it seems so long as there are only a few of us to begin with (plus some rogue votes) then this will never be settled. BNK, i sympathize with you because it seems as though you are the lone voice here for your opinion. however, i don't find either case appealing. supposing nothing important comes from the next couple of posts, i will relieve myself of the headache, and take my name off of this forum so i stop getting emails. Here i hope it is on useful information when it is continued bickering. Godspeed fellas. iknow your big boys and can work something out. :D Shanderson 06:44, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Lol :D DarkSamus⁸⁹ 08:05, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Let me give a good reason why I think the trivia section should come first. Articles are a just a lot of text, with some pictures in there. Trivia is also just text. So they go together. The gallery is nothing but pictures. So it makes sense to put it at the end, especially because people don't always look at the gallery. If the gallery came first and people just stopped at the gallery, then they'd never even see the trivia section. And that's my logic. XSuperGamer^Talk 15:02, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. This is what I've tried to say. And to me, it makes more than perfect sense. DarkSamus⁸⁹ 18:45, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Slander and fake quotes. Nice. I am suddenly reminded of the actual reason I don't come here anymore. Jimbo-Jambo 02:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not that this is actually important... Edit

Shouldn't Falco be classified in Category:Dinosaurs? I mean, I know that category is mainly used for dinosaurs on Sauria, but there are also dinosaurs on Fortuna, and why not for dinosaurs from anywhere in the Lylat System? On Wikipedia, you can see in the cladogram at the Archosaur article that Aves is a clade of Dinosauria using the modern cladistics classification system. It used to be thought that Aves "descended from" Dinosauria, though now it's better understood that Aves are modern Dinosauria, not any less so than the well-known extinct species. So, if there is a Dinosaurs category, shouldn't any avian character be so-classified? If not, then maybe the category should be called Category:Dinosaurs of Sauria to remove any doubt? I thought it would be interesting to raise the issue, whether or not I thought there could be wiki-consensus in favor of it. And yes, I have no life. :D - Gilgamesh 19:15, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ahh well. - Gilgamesh 02:41, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary, tbh. BNK ^[E|T|C] 06:29, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Falco's a bird! Not a dinosaur! XSuperGamer^Talk 16:55, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Just as a point of biological fact (and not necessarily as an argument for this categorization), all birds...are dinosaurs. Aves = birds. Did you see the links above? In the modern study of cladistics (that's how they classify life nowadays), clades are branches that form when species mutate enough to become two separate species, and those later on spawn new branches. It is extremely common for branches of any species to become extinct after a period of biological time. The clade Dinosauria is still extant, but all its clades have gone extinct except for Aves—Aves include all living birds. Since no other clades of Dinosauria survive, Aves represents not only birds, but all of Dinosauria as it survives today. The older seven-tiered classification system (Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species) where Aves was its own Class-level division, is increasingly obsolete, and many traditional levels of classification have now been found to be paraphyletic—in fact, if you look at the image at the top of the Paraphyly article, it shows Aves as an example. All of Aves is part of Dinosauria. All of Dinosauria is part of Archosauria. Archosauria also includes Crocodylia. All birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds. All dinosaurs and crocodilians are archosaurs, but not all archosaurs are dinosaurs, and not all archosaurs are crocodilians. Does this make sense? Paraphyly arises when older classification conventions are found to have categorically excluded branches that are actually their direct descendants; the cladistics system of classification has a more flexible tree-based flow of division, and all branches of the tree are understood to be part of it, whether or not they were traditionally classified as such. This understanding is part of new science texts, but older texts (such as from my own childhood) were from a time when cladistic classification was not as common as it is now. - Gilgamesh 07:41, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

While birds are indeed related to reptiles, modern ones are not dinosaurs. Let's drop this. BNK ^[E|T|C] 11:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. ^^ I hope I'm not too hyper too often for you guys. :) It is really easy to get me into a deep cerebral academic discussion. But I just realized many of you are still high school students, which makes me feel very old (I'm almost 30 but have been playing Star Fox since I was 13). Considering the franchise has been around for 17 years, I didn't expect so many of you to be so young, to be honest. - Gilgamesh 18:29, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's nice to know there's an adult here. Also, when editing, be sure to use the preview button before saving the final draft of your edit. --BNK ^[E|T|C] 22:01, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, no other adults here at all? o.o Oh, well, I certainly try to get my edits right before I submit them. Most of the time the corrections don't come to mind immediately. Especially when I'm trying to express myself with words—sometimes it's not so easy, and I compose and recompose even unimportant sentences like drafts. I've actually been using MediaWiki-based wikis for 7 years, and I know my way around the software. This is just a personal quirk of mine when I edit. - Gilgamesh 22:15, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Wikia is more youth-oriented (even though that isn't the intent) xD. OK, cool. Are you an editor elsewhere; which MediaWiki/Wikia-sponsored encyclopedias do you normally visit/contribute to? :D BNK ^[E|T|C] 22:31, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I first got Star Fox when I was 13, and I still like it as an adult. There really ought to be more oldschool gamer adults around here—logically there should be users as old as 40 (if they were college age when they played the first game). Are there other Star Fox wikis off-Wikia that I don't know of? XD
As for other wikis, I've been involved on Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Final Fantasy Wiki, Tolkien Gateway...those all use MediaWiki. I'm also on tvtropes, which doesn't use MediaWiki. I tried Tolkien Wiki, then left after I realized it was deserted and everyone had moved on to Tolkien Gateway (not Wikia-hosted).
By the way, I left a question at the Help desk in the Forum. I don't think anyone has answered yet. It concerns whether users can upload and index their own fan art or fan music (though of course it doesn't typically belong on normal article pages). I've made a lot of Star Fox fan music over the years. - Gilgamesh 00:37, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Uh....... I think BNK says Arwingpedia has a strong no-fan-stuff policy. Personally, I think we should make an exception for Shadows of Lylat, but I think he said no. XSuperGamer^Talk 15:46, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Oh my... He never replied to my question. :( - Gilgamesh 07:33, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I withdrew my music. - Gilgamesh 07:41, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Uploading music is fine, as long as you keep it on your profile. And I apologize for not answering your questions. Currently, there is another Star Fox Wiki powered by MediaWiki. It is website engined (meaning the admins are the community of the website, etc.). This is probably the largest. BNK ^[E|T|C] 21:49, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

A Phesant? Edit

People have been continuosly writing down the fact that Falco is a phesant. However, people haven't really sourced that claim, so I have nothing to do but remove it.

Will someone please provide a link to whatever says he's a phesant, and if you can provide a reliable link, I will keep it, otherwise, I'll remove it. AnyGuy 13:31, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

See, in a recent Iwata Asks interview, one guy who works on the series {I forget who} revealed that the characters are based on animals of Japanese folklore. He mentioned Falco being the pheasant, and despite going on to call Falco a falcon like twice in the same interview, people automatically went "Durr, this means Falco is really a pheasant!" and began spreading it around the internet like misinformed verbal wildfire. TheSwedishElf 19:40, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

So that basically means he isn't a phesant, since you said that people just choose to call him one because it was said in an interview. --AnyGuy 22:46, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Shigeru Miyamoto said himself that Falco is pheasant. Sources: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/29183/star-fox-the-original-design/; http://www.3dsbuzz.com/miyamoto-reveals-the-surprising-inspiration-for-star-fox/ LemonPenguin7 00:47, December 29, 2011 (UTC) December 29, 2011 00:47

Sorry to break it to you, pal, but those articles quiote the exact same interview as the one mentioned above. So, yeah, by now, people like you are just trying to convince themselves that Falco is a pheasant. 216.121.183.75 18:18, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should just settle this discussion, and say that Falco is NOT a phesant. --AnyGuy 17:59, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Someone somehow editted it back to the pheasant nonsense. Needs to be changed, but I can't seem to edit it. 70.49.84.243 05:06, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

It has been changed to falcon, which I believe is appropriate (I could be wrong). (Wolf O'Donnell (talk) 09:27, November 17, 2012 (UTC))

And now it's been changed back to pheasant again. Looks like someone can't get over the fact that he's not one. 70.49.84.243 14:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I changed it to pheasant because of the Iwata Asks interview. Please, explain your rationale as to why it should be changed. (Wolf O'Donnell (talk) 22:06, November 20, 2012 (UTC))

On second thought, it should remain 'falcon'. I had not seen the text in this section before changing it. My apologies, and if anyone believes it shouldn't be 'falcon', then please explain your rationale as to why. (Wolf O'Donnell (talk) 00:15, November 21, 2012 (UTC))

My favorite pilot and characterEdit

Falco is amazing with the arwing