Vandalism Reports
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Alert me of vandalism (especially if streamed or repeated) here. It would be more beneficial for you to tell me of these actions while I am inactive (which is often during the week from Monday through early Friday). Thanks, Blue Ninjakoopa 02:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
75.38.126.233 is causing a small problem on James McCloud, and Arwing II. I've already cleaned it up, but we should watch out for him.AnyGuy 04:09, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
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So would reporting mistreatment get me unblocked? Even if it did, I don't think I'd go back anyway. This wiki needs me the people here actually like me. Also, could you provide me a link to the template that says "This article needs pictures. You can help Arwingpedia by uploading pictures." If it doesn't exist, I'll create it. XSuperGamer 17:43, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if they will unblock you, but one of the staff members will talk to the administrator(s) that treated you unfairly.
- There is not one, and thank you in advance. Blue Ninjakoopa 17:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Walled City
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If the map was modeled after the level then it's the best thing we have and might as well have allowed it to stay. XSuperGamer 20:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- The map isn't related to Star Fox, and the map was most likely not modeled after a level in one of the games. Even if that were true, there would be no need for it. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:07, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- You know, we're just going to have to take some days and just play a bunch of star fox games and either take photos of the screen with a digital camera or use a DVD recorder and record footage of gameplay and then select the shots you want when you play it back on your computer. A lot of articles need pictures and this is about the only way we can do this. XSuperGamer 20:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I can't do that; I lack the proper equipment. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Digital Camera and/or DVD recorder? XSuperGamer 20:29, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- nop Blue Ninjakoopa 20:37, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Digital Camera and/or DVD recorder? XSuperGamer 20:29, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I can't do that; I lack the proper equipment. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
- You know, we're just going to have to take some days and just play a bunch of star fox games and either take photos of the screen with a digital camera or use a DVD recorder and record footage of gameplay and then select the shots you want when you play it back on your computer. A lot of articles need pictures and this is about the only way we can do this. XSuperGamer 20:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Gone for a few days.
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I have a trip to the D.C. area on monday. Until then, you may get a message or two Launchballer about that troll since I left a message on my page for people to contact you on troll related issues. I'll be back on Friday at the latest, Thursday at the earliest. Canis Shepalute 06:30, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
- Duly noted. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:13, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
I guess I didn't go. There was a change in plans. Canis Shepalute 21:32, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
Message
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Hello, Blue Ninjakoopa! Before I compliment on the cool username, I would like to announce that I have joined your wiki. Also, I would like to give a few tips and ideas. Try protecting the main page so only admins can edit, make sure that only the users who are 100% safe and know what to do with it are editing it. That's what we do on my wiki's, but I'm just giving a suggestion. I'd also like to give you guys a customized theme, but I'll show you it first. I only have Star Fox Assault for my GameCube, but I will get Star Fox Attack and Star Fox Command next. And is there really going to be a release for the Wii? I can't wait to see that. Well, I guess message me back when you can. Tommy Visit my talk 02:43, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- The main page's protection is set to autoconfirmed because I trust the few users here with it, and thank you for the compliments + the heads up; we're glad to have you part of the community.
- Addressing the skin; can you show it to me? We've been needing a custom one for ages! Blue Ninjakoopa 02:46, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I can probably give you a good idea, and if you don't like it, I know a guy who specializes in working on themes for wiki's. My idea is that we make the green like the Star Fox logo, and then we can give it a spacey-looking background. Or we can do this; You tell me what you want, and I'll make sure it happens. I'm short on ideas anyway. And sorry for not seeing your message, I'm not used to that sort of thing, I usually expect to be written back to, and I'll make sure I see it in the future. Tommy Visit my talk 21:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I would like the Wiki to be blue and grey with, like you said, a space background. This wiki's logo is good, but the word "wiki" needs to be the same font as the word "Starfox". Would the guy you know be able to do that? Blue Ninjakoopa 21:08, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I can probably give you a good idea, and if you don't like it, I know a guy who specializes in working on themes for wiki's. My idea is that we make the green like the Star Fox logo, and then we can give it a spacey-looking background. Or we can do this; You tell me what you want, and I'll make sure it happens. I'm short on ideas anyway. And sorry for not seeing your message, I'm not used to that sort of thing, I usually expect to be written back to, and I'll make sure I see it in the future. Tommy Visit my talk 21:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
All My Recently Uploaded Pictures
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So... whaddya think? XSuperGamer 22:58, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- cool Blue Ninjakoopa 22:59, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Do you think I could get approved if I applied for adminship? Also, how do I make it so that source view is enabled by default when editing a page? XSuperGamer 23:04, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- You'd have to click the source button; I don't think there is a way to make it default. Also, regarding adminship, you will need to request. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:07, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I always have to click the source button. Also, you can enable it by default. Go to preferences and then editing and unclick the "enable rich text editing" check box. Furthermore, I asked for your honest personal opinion regarding whether or not you thought I would get approved. XSuperGamer 23:12, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- You didn't ask for my "honest personal opinion"; what are you talking about?? Blue Ninjakoopa 23:16, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Well I'm asking for your personal opinion now. Meaning "do you think I have a good shot at becoming an administrator, or do I have like no chance"? XSuperGamer 23:34, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- You didn't ask for my "honest personal opinion"; what are you talking about?? Blue Ninjakoopa 23:16, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I always have to click the source button. Also, you can enable it by default. Go to preferences and then editing and unclick the "enable rich text editing" check box. Furthermore, I asked for your honest personal opinion regarding whether or not you thought I would get approved. XSuperGamer 23:12, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- You'd have to click the source button; I don't think there is a way to make it default. Also, regarding adminship, you will need to request. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:07, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Do you think I could get approved if I applied for adminship? Also, how do I make it so that source view is enabled by default when editing a page? XSuperGamer 23:04, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
New Theme
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How about we make our theme kind of like Star Fox Assault's theme? We could use a spacey/starry background or a black background. all the text could be white. All this lightblue stuff (Wikia gaming, blue box around search bar, blue box below the editing box when you are editing a page, etc.) might could be transparent. All the gray borders would be a blue a bit darker than the blue we use now...... Also, I think we need a new logo.
I'm not sure about all the details. It would take a lot of planning but I'd really like to see us have a customized theme. I'll start working on preview of what I have in mind. XSuperGamer 00:43, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- OK. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:45, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- A good reference for the colors would be the star fox assault loading screen. XSuperGamer 01:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- And I think you need to use THAT which you linked to for a new logo. XSuperGamer 01:57, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Good idea. And yes, you should upload it here as a personal image or sample. Blue Ninjakoopa 01:59, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- And I think you need to use THAT which you linked to for a new logo. XSuperGamer 01:57, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so make the green-blue more bluish, and make the blue lines grey. That shouldn't be a problem at all. Oh and congratulations on your 2000 edits! :) XSuperGamer 14:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
I really don't feel like making that starry background from scratch again, so I'm going to just grab something from Google right quick. Ok? XSuperGamer 14:30, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
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I saved a copy of the one with layers this time so we can easily edit the colors if we need to. XSuperGamer 14:40, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
All of the wikis for Nintendo's other main series (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby) have their own themes. I think it's about time we got one. XSuperGamer 16:46, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- You couldn't copy the other star theme and put it in this one? Also, nice job. And I have made note, but how are we going to change the theme? Blue Ninjakoopa 17:43, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm almost 100% positive that only administrators can do that and I figured you'd know. Because if you go to preferences and then click the skin tab it says down at the bottom:
- Let the admins override my skin choice. (recommended)
- Setting this means the system will ignore your preferred skin and show the skin picked by each wiki's admins. Some wiki administrators take a lot of time to customize the look of their wikis. Check this box to see wikis with full customization.
This setting will follow you across Wikia.
- The admins for this wiki have chosen: Monaco Custom as the default skin. Click here to see the code.
- So, I know that the admins choose it or can change it. So, I'm sure you could look through your help files or google it and find out how to change the Wiki's theme. XSuperGamer 20:03, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
....The little dotted border is blank. There's nothing in that box. If you go here or here, you will find that there is stuff in that box. XSuperGamer 20:14, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know what to insert... also, please follow threading guidelines and indent your messages. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:17, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Now... you see how the StarCraft wiki's background is just this same design tiled over and over and over? If you look in that coding a file called MainBG.jpg is mentioned. So, to have a starry background, we need a starry background uploaded to this wiki as mainBG.jpg and we need to incorperate it into that coding.
- I never know what to insert either. I just go to another wiki, copy and paste stuff, and then make the necessary changes. XSuperGamer 20:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'll need that space image you used. Also, I couldn't photoshop any image for my life. Would you be able to make a logo using the image I had shown you? Blue Ninjakoopa 20:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I might could redo the logo. I could give you a link to the new space image I got off google but we have to make sure it would look ok when it is tiled all over the page.
- Alrighty. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:51, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok I got the image from here, but according to copyright laws we'll have to contact that John Dickinson guy and get permission from him to use his image. I still need to check and see how it will look tiled across a page. Alternatively, we could try to look for some free image or make one ourselves. XSuperGamer 21:03, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Use the one you used in the first example. The background seen here. Blue Ninjakoopa 21:06, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Well you see, I didn't save that one as a paint.net file so I'll have to make it from scratch again and also I have to make sure it will look alright when it is tiled across the page. XSuperGamer 21:42, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Could you perhaps make it again? And OK, thank you, Blue Ninjakoopa 21:52, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I'm done. I think it looks better than last time. Do you want me to upload it as MainBG? XSuperGamer 22:10, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually I tried tiling it across my desktop and I figured out something is wrong. XSuperGamer 22:12, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- It must be fixed! Blue Ninjakoopa 22:17, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Is there any way you can just stretch it out across the whole page? XSuperGamer 22:19, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Depends. Is it big enough to where it doesn't need to be tiled? Blue Ninjakoopa 22:33, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- No. I'll do it where none of the purple goes to the edges of the image so I won't have to worry about it when it's tiled. I have to make it work somehow. XSuperGamer 22:47, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Tell me when you're through. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm finally done. I think it looks pretty good when tiled. Want me to upload it as MainBG.jpg? By the way, have you ever tried to do something like this before? It's very aggravating. XSuperGamer 23:08, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:22, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm finally done. I think it looks pretty good when tiled. Want me to upload it as MainBG.jpg? By the way, have you ever tried to do something like this before? It's very aggravating. XSuperGamer 23:08, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Tell me when you're through. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- No. I'll do it where none of the purple goes to the edges of the image so I won't have to worry about it when it's tiled. I have to make it work somehow. XSuperGamer 22:47, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Depends. Is it big enough to where it doesn't need to be tiled? Blue Ninjakoopa 22:33, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Is there any way you can just stretch it out across the whole page? XSuperGamer 22:19, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- It must be fixed! Blue Ninjakoopa 22:17, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Could you perhaps make it again? And OK, thank you, Blue Ninjakoopa 21:52, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Well you see, I didn't save that one as a paint.net file so I'll have to make it from scratch again and also I have to make sure it will look alright when it is tiled across the page. XSuperGamer 21:42, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Use the one you used in the first example. The background seen here. Blue Ninjakoopa 21:06, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok I got the image from here, but according to copyright laws we'll have to contact that John Dickinson guy and get permission from him to use his image. I still need to check and see how it will look tiled across a page. Alternatively, we could try to look for some free image or make one ourselves. XSuperGamer 21:03, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Alrighty. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:51, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I might could redo the logo. I could give you a link to the new space image I got off google but we have to make sure it would look ok when it is tiled all over the page.
- I'll need that space image you used. Also, I couldn't photoshop any image for my life. Would you be able to make a logo using the image I had shown you? Blue Ninjakoopa 20:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
So, how does it look? XSuperGamer 23:24, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Good. The stars could be brighter, though. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:36, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- How's the rest of the color scheme and stuff coming along?
- What do you mean? I haven't started editing that page yet.. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Could you apply the background and click preview and then take a screenshot so I can just see what it would look like? XSuperGamer 23:50, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Here. Looks good imo. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:05, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- I see you were doing some test runs on the .css thingy. How'd that go? XSuperGamer 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Pretty well. Blue Ninjakoopa 22:58, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- I see you were doing some test runs on the .css thingy. How'd that go? XSuperGamer 15:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Here. Looks good imo. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:05, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Could you apply the background and click preview and then take a screenshot so I can just see what it would look like? XSuperGamer 23:50, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- What do you mean? I haven't started editing that page yet.. Blue Ninjakoopa 23:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- How's the rest of the color scheme and stuff coming along?
"Uh Oh. We've got company!"
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Well, I found another vandel.
68.203.4.240 Is his IP address, and unlike "Mr. Wow", he's actually done a large amount of damage. Canis Shepalute 21:52, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
MediaWiki
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Have you tried contacting Kirkburn? If not, Greenpickle is kind of good with this kind of stuff. Gamefreak75
- Thanks, I'll ask him. BNK [E|T|C] 05:17, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know much about CSS (my HTML experience comes from before CSS's release), but I might be able to help. Don't get mad if something breaks, though. Canis Shepalute 10:22, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Canis, only admins can edit the .css page. XSuperGamerTalk 16:57, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Oh... sorry, I didn't know. Canis Shepalute 17:41, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know much about CSS (my HTML experience comes from before CSS's release), but I might be able to help. Don't get mad if something breaks, though. Canis Shepalute 10:22, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
"Yugi403 again? Why now?"
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Yugi403 tried to put that fan art picture of Miyu up again. I rolled it back, but he did it before and you told him not to, so I don't think he got the message the first time. Canis Shepalute 16:42, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Shit
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I just spent the last two hours working on the logo. XSuperGamerTalk 00:12, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- lol BNK [E|T|C] 00:20, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- You don't want to even see it do you? XSuperGamerTalk 00:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- The word Wiki is on there, it's just in white so it will show up against the black background. It's a shame it turned out so much like yours. XSuperGamerTalk 00:49, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
Also, I feel the background of every page should be black and the text should be white so it fits in with the main background. XSuperGamerTalk 00:59, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
What do you mean it would be disruptive? XSuperGamerTalk 01:02, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- It won't work lol. BNK [E|T|C] 01:09, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- It worked on the StarCraft wiki http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_Wiki
- You know, all of a sudden I feel very unappreciated. And unwanted. XSuperGamerTalk 01:16, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- @XSuperGamer: Even though I don't know you, please don't say things like that about yourself. You seem to be a good contributor. Everyone appreciates people that do good contributions. Saying those things seem ignorant, but I know you aren't. One of the most important steps of being a user/administrator (I saw the requests page) is being confident in yourself. ;) User:Gamefreak75
- And as you can see, reverse text (light text on dark background) did work on the starcraft wiki. XSuperGamerTalk 01:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- I second that. Any wiki that uses the "Gaming" skin already has black background and white text, and it works very well. Honestly I think the starry backdrop we have now clashes with huge white text boxes and looks pretty terrible. 98.216.66.2 20:07, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
- It's two against one at the moment, so I'd say at least one other person in here cares a great deal about what I think. You want something to set us apart from other wikis, but you certainly don't want it to look like, well, shit, right? Unless you want to set us really far apart from other wikis, in which case may I suggest making each box a different color, like a rainbow? Nobody's done that before.
- Don't worry, I won't take your hostility towards an anonymous user personally, despite the fact that this is the first opinion I've actually set forth regarding this issue. I'll just assume you had a bad day or something. 98.216.66.2 05:00, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- "It's two against one at the moment, so I'd say at least one other person in here cares a great deal about what I think."
- Actually, I'm the administrator. I'm not saying that my opinion is of more importance, but I have to agree with the idea to make it happen. A thousand users could be pro-your stupid idea, but it only takes one administrator to oppose. Stop trying to act like you're backed by the community, when you aren't.
- "You want something to set us apart from other wikis, but you certainly don't want it to look like, well, shit, right?"
- Again, your opinion. You think the Wiki's layout looks like "shit" because you're obviously used to the generic gaming skin, which shows white text on a black page. That's not what we're doing here. Why? Because there's a dark enough background.
- "Unless you want to set us really far apart from other wikis, in which case may I suggest making each box a different color, like a rainbow? Nobody's done that before."
- OK, for one, are you serious? Have you lost your mind? A rainbow? I'm going to pretend you've just awoken from one of your naps or something and that you never even suggested this idea.
- "Don't worry, I won't take your hostility towards an anonymous user personally, despite the fact that this is the first opinion I've actually set forth regarding this issue. I'll just assume you had a bad day or something."
- Hostility? I was stressing why I didn't like the idea to both you and XSuperGamer. The fact that you're an "anonymous user" has nothing to do with how one would treat you, but I have to admit, I'd take this event in a more serious manner if you actually had an account. There are factors, you know: you're trolling, you're an IP; I'm in the right mind to generalize you as another commonplace idiot. And your bad day comment... lol. BNK [E|T|C] 05:13, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Trolling? I leave one comment in opposition to your opinion and I'm accused of "bitching" and told I should "deal" with it, as if I'm one voice against a thousand stressing on and on about a minor detail which isn't even noticeable. As I said, I think it clashes and looks terrible, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. You don't have to agree, but I hope you won't flip a lid every time I say something not to your liking. This layout has only just been implemented and (I assume) is still open to plenty of tweaking and rethinking, which also means that anything said against it is not necessarily a quip at your artistic taste, so calm down. O_o
- As you yourself acknowledged your opinion is not the only one that matters (and I want to take this bracketed space just to thank you on that note because most people I've rubbed shoulders with seem to believe firmly that an administrator's judgment is that of God). Obviously the same applies to me, but I also represent a single member of the public, and the layout is ultimately for their viewing benefit, not your personal project.
- No by the way, I greatly prefer monobook, which unfortunately does not come in an assortment of neat colors. I can't understand for the life of me why Wikia decided to use that Monaco or whatever as the new default.... I do however like the look of white text on a black background and think it would fit the outer space theme we have going on here. If you really think it would somehow be distracting, then may I suggest (and this is a serious one) using a different background image? 98.216.66.2 07:22, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- "Trolling? I leave one comment in opposition to your opinion and I'm accused of "bitching" and told I should "deal" with it, as if I'm one voice against a thousand stressing on and on about a minor detail which isn't even noticeable."
- Yes, trolling. You are trolling. It was your opinion when you left your first comment, but your efforts at arguing elevated to nothing more than subliminal personal attacks and some "emotional jabs". You were "bitching" because you called the skin "terrible". I do apologize if my repartee offended you, but really, I didn't make the skin. My Pikipedia buddy Greenpickle did, and you "bitching" (yes, "bitching") about the already OK style tipped a nerve. If it isn't noticeable, as you apparently claim now, then why bother "stressing it"? And what/who are these "thousand voices"?
- "As I said, I think it clashes and looks terrible, and I'm not the only one who thinks so. You don't have to agree, but I hope you won't flip a lid every time I say something not to your liking."
- Can you show me how it "clashes", rather than trying to pin a minor obscure detail entirely on me in your frail walls of text? XSuperGamer never said, ever, that he thinks "it looks terrible"; you're trying to put words in his mouth... or on his keyboard, whatever. Flip a lid? Like as in on a jar of peanut butter? If you're trying to tell me that I'm angry and that you somehow possess the ability to interpret emotions from the text of another user, then you're wrong. I'm not "angry" so much as I am "annoyed" with your persistence with something you yourself even claim a "minor thing"! And again, it's all about consensus; I'd have to agree with your "rainbow" idea, which I don't. No, not just me, but other users as well.
- "This layout has only just been implemented and (I assume) is still open to plenty of tweaking and rethinking, which also means that anything said against it is not necessarily a quip at your artistic taste, so calm down. O_o"
- Yes, it may need some adjustment, but as I've stated countless times, through sitenotices and announcements, I am not capable of making a layout freehand. Stop assuming that I can fix things to your liking. It's not hard to decipher your surreptitious insults hidden in your paragraphs, by the way. It's obvious that we have different tastes, and yours is... well, horrible. But that's my opinion, right? O_o
- "As you yourself acknowledged your opinion is not the only one that matters (and I want to take this bracketed space just to thank you on that note because most people I've rubbed shoulders with seem to believe firmly that an administrator's judgment is that of God)."
- I go by the SmashWiki policy that "Administrators aren't Kings", but don't try to thank me in hopes of "sugaring up" the argument at hand. Your quote, "rubbed shoulders"; sounds like you enjoy engaging in pointless conflicts with other users because something you feel should be changed isn't changed to your liking. I remember when I was that way. You may want to learn how to cope with the community's consensus, rather than trying to make things go your way and then hypocritically claim that the mindset of other administrators is the equivalent to that of a "God".
- "Obviously the same applies to me, but I also represent a single member of the public, and the layout is ultimately for their viewing benefit, not your personal project."
- I can honestly reply with "no". One, you don't represent a single member of the public; you aren't even a part of this "public", and even if you did, you show the example of an angry pest whose intentions are to cause problems. You are right, however; the layout isn't just for me, it's for the viewers, and no one else seems to be complaining but you.
- "No by the way, I greatly prefer monobook, which unfortunately does not come in an assortment of neat colors. I can't understand for the life of me why Wikia decided to use that Monaco or whatever as the new default.... I do however like the look of white text on a black background and think it would fit the outer space theme we have going on here."
- So? Do the other "members of the public" prefer monobook? No. Just you (and for the sake of not over-generalizing, maybe some other few users). Wikia no longer supports Monobook, if you hadn't known previously. Why did they choose monaco? Because MediaWiki already uses monobook, and it works for their system.
- "If you really think it would somehow be distracting, then may I suggest (and this is a serious one) using a different background image?"
- What the hell is your problem? Why do you feel the need to tear apart my post and an cover every single sentence in excruciating detail, commenting on every expression and turn of phrase, either calling it out as being stupid or somehow trying to twist it to make it sound like some dirty and tasteless insult against you, or worst of all, taking it literally? Plus, you speculate endlessly about my underhanded motives while never considering that I might just be trying to defend myself, and half of the stuff you're saying, like about me somehow not being a member of the public, is just wrong.
- Before this gets out of hand, can you perhaps just tell me (and nothing else, for the love of God) exactly what you thought my intentions were when commented on the skin so I can understand what prompted such a response? Because it was obviously not what I was expecting. As far as I can tell, I submitted my opinion to a discussion and you lashed back as if I had just called you ugly or something, and a friendly suggestion was met with a very unfriendly response. I want to know what I've done so we can clear up this misunderstanding and I can avoid doing it again. 98.216.66.2 05:55, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
- "What the hell is your problem? Why do you feel the need to tear apart my post and an cover every single sentence in excruciating detail, commenting on every expression and turn of phrase, either calling it out as being stupid or somehow trying to twist it to make it sound like some dirty and tasteless insult against you, or worst of all, taking it literally?"
- The only one on this discussion page with a "problem" is you, 98.216.66.2. I'm not "tearing apart your posts" so much as I am quoting you, and my method is working; you're realizing that your posts ARE of pure idiocy and you're accusing me of "bringing out their negativity", which I am, but you act like it's a bad thing on my part. For one, you could go without the personal attacks and comments that down my tastes in Wikia skins. Secondly, you need to try and calm down. Remember, I'm assuming that you're a good faith editor and I won't block you until you give me reason too, which might happen soon.
- "Plus, you speculate endlessly about my underhanded motives while never considering that I might just be trying to defend myself, and half of the stuff you're saying, like about me somehow not being a member of the public, is just wrong."
- Are you reading your own posts? Why do you need to "defend yourself"? I never approached you with an "attack" in the first place, and if anything, you're the one I need to defend myself against. You're taking the context of my walls personally, as if my words are meant to cause some sort of "harm" and you're attacking me in return with your smart-ass rebuttal. Your logic is terrible, but that's not an attack, that's fact. Stop acting like you're innocent, when you aren't.
- "Before this gets out of hand, can you perhaps just tell me (and nothing else, for the love of God) exactly what you thought my intentions were when commented on the skin so I can understand what prompted such a response? Because it was obviously not what I was expecting."
- You yourself said that the skin currently "looks terrible", I replied with "no one cares what you think", which is true; no one cares about what you think. For the ump-teenth time, consensus. Consensus. Consensus; the community has to agree with your proposals. Stop acting like you don't even know what the hell you're typing and that you somehow can't read.
- "As far as I can tell, I submitted my opinion to a discussion and you lashed back as if I had just called you ugly or something, and a friendly suggestion was met with a very unfriendly response. I want to know what I've done so we can clear up this misunderstanding and I can avoid doing it again."
- Lol, are you seriously trying to change the topic of discussion from your opinion of this Wiki's skin to why I'm "attacking you"? Are you seriously wondering "what you're doing wrong"? I'll give you a hint: your logic. Also, your comment was everything but "friendly"; you called the skin "terrible". Maybe in hell that's a friendly gesture, but here on the surface of planet Earth, it's an insult. My comment, on the other hand, was also unfriendly, but it isn't the equivalent of calling the tastes of another user "terrible". You could try to "avoid doing it again" all you want, but right now I feel you're still going to try and annoy the hell out of everyone here. BNK [E|T|C] 06:24, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
- All I wanted to hear was your reasoning, which is in fact on topic.
- I'm sorry I called the skin "terrible." As I already tried explaining, no harm was meant, and it was not directed at you. I hope you'll still take my opinion to heart, as it is after all your job as an admin to care what people think. 98.216.66.2 02:24, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
Further Improvements
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You see how Starcraft Wiki made the bars on the menu on the side look different?
We need to do something like that. Make them look shiny and silver and all high-tech. XSuperGamerTalk 01:32, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Don't know how. BNK [E|T|C] 01:41, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
- I already uploaded the thing. I left you the code on the monaco.css talk page. And where are you getting all these images from all of a sudden? XSuperGamerTalk 01:47, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
Papetoon
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So, where do you want Papetoon to go? XSuperGamerTalk 23:41, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
- What? BNK [E|T|C] 23:46, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Oh ma- *facepalm* the battle map. I told you to delete it so I could reupload it as the battlemap image and I think you mentioned something about moving papetoon on this forum http://starfox.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Lylat_System&t=20100312212859. Where do you want it to go? XSuperGamerTalk 00:41, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Try telling me what Papetoon is, first. BNK [E|T|C] 00:57, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- "Papetoon was the home planet for Fox McCloud, according to the Japanese instruction booklet for Star Fox 64.[2] Papetoon was first introduced in the Nintendo Power Star Fox comic. In this comic, Papetoon is the location of team Star Fox's hideout, which they refer to as their "den". The planet looked much like Corneria.
- Try telling me what Papetoon is, first. BNK [E|T|C] 00:57, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Oh ma- *facepalm* the battle map. I told you to delete it so I could reupload it as the battlemap image and I think you mentioned something about moving papetoon on this forum http://starfox.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Lylat_System&t=20100312212859. Where do you want it to go? XSuperGamerTalk 00:41, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- The first and so far only mention of Papetoon in the Starfox games is in one of the nine endings in Command as being a planet at the edge of the Lylat system. It is located at the outer reaches of the Lylat system, thus explaining it's absence from the maps. In fact, some think that it must be farther out than Sauria, making it not a part of the Lylat system." XSuperGamerTalk 21:07, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- OK, but what do you mean "where do I want it to go?"? BNK [E|T|C] 21:17, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Do you want me to put it on the edge of the lylat system, or do you want me to leave it in zoness' orbit where it might be habitable? XSuperGamerTalk 21:20, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Iunno BNK [E|T|C] 21:28, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- So you don't really care one way or the other? XSuperGamerTalk 21:45, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Iunno BNK [E|T|C] 21:28, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Do you want me to put it on the edge of the lylat system, or do you want me to leave it in zoness' orbit where it might be habitable? XSuperGamerTalk 21:20, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- OK, but what do you mean "where do I want it to go?"? BNK [E|T|C] 21:17, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
- The first and so far only mention of Papetoon in the Starfox games is in one of the nine endings in Command as being a planet at the edge of the Lylat system. It is located at the outer reaches of the Lylat system, thus explaining it's absence from the maps. In fact, some think that it must be farther out than Sauria, making it not a part of the Lylat system." XSuperGamerTalk 21:07, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
Well, Mr. Wow is back again.
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Well, the guy who writes Wow all over pages is back. This time he targeted "Star Fox 64", although I worry about Wolf O'donnel's userpage as well. I guess I have to talk to Launchballer at SNN again. Canis Shepalute 14:20, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
I can't find anything to do on Arwingpedia.
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As much as I hate taking orders from people, and people telling me what to do, I'm going to ask you to tell me what to do. Give me an order. Tell me what page to go fix up, or what star fox game to play and what pictures to take while I'm playing it, or something. ANYTHING! Just tell me what to do. XSuperGamerTalk 15:03, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
- We need images of Assault's multiplayers stages and pictures of several aparoid units. BNK [E|T|C] 17:01, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I got one of your aparoid units (aparoid dragoon). Wrote a whole article on him. That's one more for me. I have a picture of aparoid generator but it sucks and you can't tell what it is. I gotta go grab a new pic of moth. We need one of 'ol Queenie. Probably should grab one of pepper's ship too. XSuperGamerTalk 21:39, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Problematic category
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Do you have any idea where the hell does the Category:All articles with unsourced statements come from? I've deleted it, checked most of the templates which could possibly make it and such, but the bastard persists to exist somehow. The category just isn't needed, for we have it under a better name already (Category:Articles with unsourced statements).
DarkSamus89
11:10, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Some idiot must've slipped in and made it. A lot of dumb shit has been done here and hopefully that was the last of it. BNK [E|T|C] 21:52, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
- It seems to be more complicated than that: If you check the All articles with unsourced statements -category, you'll see the Barrel Roll is in it. Now, if you check the categories of the Barrel Roll article, that category is not listed there. Mysterious, isn't it???
DarkSamus89
08:11, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
- It seems to be more complicated than that: If you check the All articles with unsourced statements -category, you'll see the Barrel Roll is in it. Now, if you check the categories of the Barrel Roll article, that category is not listed there. Mysterious, isn't it???
- I've been reading your conversation, and I think I know the problem. The category you are trying to delete is the intended root categroy for all articles with unsourced statements, while the one you've been using was most probably made due to one of the first users not knowing that there was a default category. I hope I could clear this up. Canis Shepalute 18:21, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I'd imagine we'd still be able to get rid of it! I noticed Template:Fact made it, but I changed it, but it didn't disappear. And I don't see why Barrel Roll continues going to that category, but no any other article. Aparoid Walker uses the Fact template too, but it doesn't appear in the category.
DarkSamus89
19:46, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I'd imagine we'd still be able to get rid of it! I noticed Template:Fact made it, but I changed it, but it didn't disappear. And I don't see why Barrel Roll continues going to that category, but no any other article. Aparoid Walker uses the Fact template too, but it doesn't appear in the category.
Wait.......
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Since I can now delete and protect pages, does that mean I have administrative abilities? XSuperGamerTalk 21:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Bingo! BNK [E|T|C] 21:56, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
- I give you my deepest, most profound gratitude. XSuperGamerTalk 22:02, April 5, 2010 (UTC) PS:Time to go change my sig!
IRC
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Could you please come to IRC (preferably Wikitroid's channel)? I need to discuss something very important with you. Also, love the new skin. Kudos to whoever managed to put this together. Nice job! RAN1 03:56, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Sure thing. It's 6:42 right now and I'm about to leave for school. I'll be back around 4:40/50; any time before 5:00. And thanks! Greenpickle made it for us. :) BNK [E|T|C] 11:44, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Don't forget I made the details like the shiny light up thing on the side bar!!! XSuperGamerTalk 15:39, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Poke. It may be better if Salad knows about this, so you may want to PM him (email or IRC). IRC preferred, obviously. RAN1 23:20, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think Shadowcrest would help too much; he isn't the type to get involved in something like this. By the way, I forgot how to mod myself at the AWP IRC channel. >_< BNK [E|T|C] 23:22, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Maybe you should come on the AWP IRC channel. I'll teach you some IRC command tricks. RAN1 23:25, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
Can I Ask You Something?
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Do want me to just bring out my shiny new banhammer on Mr. Wow? --XSuperGamerTalk 15:38, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry
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Sorry I haven't been here for a while.
I had to go all the way to Durham for a physical, and then go to Wal-Mart, and then wait at Dominos for a pizza. So I wasn't here to ban Mr Wow. XSuperGamerTalk 23:46, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
What did you mean by that?
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What did you mean, "ruin a series with homosexuality"? What do you mean ruined? I mean, don't you realize, that it's already in the series? In the Japanese script and voice acting of Star Fox 64, Leon was very gay, and he only continued that in other games. Wolf has had quite a bit of homoerotic banter in the series, especially with Fox during Star Fox Assault. Wolf's outfits are also understood as of the "leatherman" style, similar to certain outfits of the Village People that have long had a masculine gay appeal. It should be no surprise that Star Fox series has had its significant gay fan base for a very long time. How do they ruin it, when it was already there?
Additionally, in the Japanese family entertainment market, gay characters are much more common than in North America or Europe—the mainstream Japanese female demographic (particularly adolescent girls and homemakers) find them heartwarming and sympathetic, and there's a whole industry appeal of light (non-adult-oriented, at least in Japan) gay content for these girls and young women. And having positive gay references is not in and of itself obscene.
Additionally, when you say that homosexuality "ruins" something, it's very unsettling. Are you familiar with Wikia's Terms of Use, in the User Content section, that defamatory content (such as denigration of LGBT people) is prohibited? Surely a game series that already has LGBT content is not defamatory against itself. But if its gay fans and gay editors are denigrated, that is defamatory. It was my understanding from the beginning that Wikia sites have to allow at least canonical LGBT content, and you also have to allow its gay fans and the wiki's gay users to edit, under the presumption that mere gay references are not in and of themselves obscene and that they are editing in communal good faith. Wikia even has a full-member LGBT Info wiki that is indexed by Wikia and has over 5000 articles. And LGBT Info and its users are bound by the same Terms of Use as Arwingpedia and its users are.
Do you understand? If necessary, please ask Wikia administration for clarification. - Gilgamesh 22:47, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- ...none of the Star Fox characters are gay. Have you lost your mind? No, I'm serious: Have you lost your mind? I'm going to pretend this is a late April Fools' joke and continue reading some random articles. Wait, before I go! I want you to understand that I am in no way openly against homosexuality, but I am a Christian, so I don't approve of it either. BNK [E|T|C] 23:43, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- I am perfectly serious. I am making no joke. And you don't seem to be familiar with the Japanese materials. Also, I appreciate that you are a Christian, but you are still an admin in a position of authority over other editors, and you are still bound by the Terms of Use. What you said, people who "ruin the series with homosexuality are not welcome", was abusive and defamatory, and I'm pretty sure it violates the rules of Wikia user conduct. I have investigated the Wikia policies and procedures associated with this. And by the way, I am gay, and I'm also 29. I have been playing Star Fox since before you were born. And I am well aware of the gay material associated with the series, both canonical and fan-based. Regardless of what you may personally believe, you must remain respectful and civil in regards to this. It may help you to study issues of sensitivity towards LGBT people and LGBT issues, and what constitutes abuse against LGBT people. - Gilgamesh 23:59, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Hi. From what Gilgamesh told me, in the Japanese version, it's plainly stated that they indeed are homosexual (I don't know for myself). I only want to say this little statistic: 10 % of humans are homosexual. One out of ten people you know are probably gay... And 1 out of ten users are. While I understand that Christianism doesn't like homosexuality, it has *always* been. It's a fact of life. Also, God *is* a righteous being. He forgives. If gays are otherwise good people, why should they be punished? And for something they have no control over? The comment you made while protecting that page was not at all acceptable. Even law doesn't allow it. KujaRhapsodos 23:57, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Leon, for sure. Wolf is more heavily homoerotic without saying it outright. Falco is just merely non-straight, without it being clear whether he's gay or asexual. Some people think he's gay. Some people think he's asexual. Then there was the famous VGCats strip on the subject. - Gilgamesh 00:05, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- There is absolutely nothing wrong with your homosexuality, Gilgameshkun; to be honest, I actually thought you were making some kind of joke to the page. Please clear any suspicions of me, in the future, treating you with indifference, as I have many homosexual e-pals. Now that I understand Wikia's terms, I will unprotect the page and let you make the edit. I apologize for this misunderstanding. Just remember, this Wiki is entirely non-fanon; canonical only please. BNK [E|T|C] 00:02, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I will attempt to leave out the fanon and stick to the facts. It just seemed noteworthy to point out fan debate on the issue, as this is a very old topic. - Gilgamesh 00:05, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Just a heads up—when you initially made the protection and said what you did, I filed a report at Wikia's contact page, reporting suspected administrative homophobic abuse in violation of the Terms of Use. Really, that stuff can be taken very seriously by LGBT people like me. I know you're rather young (17, correct?), but I had trusted beforehand that this kind of treatment would be understood to be forbidden. Maybe I made that assumption naïvely, but I have to trust in general that institutions like Wikia will respect my dignity. - Gilgamesh 00:20, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- I understand your reasoning, but remember: I thought it was a joke. Albeit seeming like so, it was not intended to be a personal jab towards homosexual editors. And I'm not a homophobe; I'm African American. My ancestors know what it's like to be treated differently; do you think I'd do the same to someone who has a different sexuality the same way we were treated for our different skin color? BNK [E|T|C] 00:26, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- There is absolutely nothing wrong with your homosexuality, Gilgameshkun; to be honest, I actually thought you were making some kind of joke to the page. Please clear any suspicions of me, in the future, treating you with indifference, as I have many homosexual e-pals. Now that I understand Wikia's terms, I will unprotect the page and let you make the edit. I apologize for this misunderstanding. Just remember, this Wiki is entirely non-fanon; canonical only please. BNK [E|T|C] 00:02, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, Leon, for sure. Wolf is more heavily homoerotic without saying it outright. Falco is just merely non-straight, without it being clear whether he's gay or asexual. Some people think he's gay. Some people think he's asexual. Then there was the famous VGCats strip on the subject. - Gilgamesh 00:05, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Hi. From what Gilgamesh told me, in the Japanese version, it's plainly stated that they indeed are homosexual (I don't know for myself). I only want to say this little statistic: 10 % of humans are homosexual. One out of ten people you know are probably gay... And 1 out of ten users are. While I understand that Christianism doesn't like homosexuality, it has *always* been. It's a fact of life. Also, God *is* a righteous being. He forgives. If gays are otherwise good people, why should they be punished? And for something they have no control over? The comment you made while protecting that page was not at all acceptable. Even law doesn't allow it. KujaRhapsodos 23:57, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- I am perfectly serious. I am making no joke. And you don't seem to be familiar with the Japanese materials. Also, I appreciate that you are a Christian, but you are still an admin in a position of authority over other editors, and you are still bound by the Terms of Use. What you said, people who "ruin the series with homosexuality are not welcome", was abusive and defamatory, and I'm pretty sure it violates the rules of Wikia user conduct. I have investigated the Wikia policies and procedures associated with this. And by the way, I am gay, and I'm also 29. I have been playing Star Fox since before you were born. And I am well aware of the gay material associated with the series, both canonical and fan-based. Regardless of what you may personally believe, you must remain respectful and civil in regards to this. It may help you to study issues of sensitivity towards LGBT people and LGBT issues, and what constitutes abuse against LGBT people. - Gilgamesh 23:59, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
No, I understand what you meant by that. It's possible I'm also a bit more sensitive to this kind of backlash because I've been under fire for it before. Some people really wanted Falco and Katt to be a couple, or to have been one in the past. Farewell, Beloved Falco was never officially localized outside Japan, and was only relatively recently scanlated into English. And I find myself wondering if this was the reason they decided never to localize it. Japanese family entertainment audiences are far more tolerant of this kind of thing, but Western markets (especially in the United States) can complain loudly over what is perceived to be age-inappropriate content in games marketed to such a broad audience. The effect is quite a bit of official editing in translation to make the game more marketable, so that more people (including people who may not have approved of the pre-edit version) will spend money and buy it; it's capitalism in action. Of course, it's only partially effective—Leon and Wolf are already not really fooling anyone anyway. While Leon was always heavily stereotypically gay (with lots of campisms like "Tori-saaaaaaaaan!", and lusting over Wolf and sadomasochistically envying the enemies Wolf punished), Wolf himself is rather like Ricky Martin—if he said tomorrow that he was gay, very few people would be surprised; it would be old news. I believe tvtropes calls it the "Transparent Closet". - Gilgamesh 00:49, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
By the way, about the term "homosexual". (I noticed you changed "gay" to "homosexual" in Leon's article.) While it remains a technical clinical term, it has become deemed more insensitive over the years. This is in part because now that the term "gay" is so mainstream and widespread, the only people who routinely say "homosexual" are those who condemn homosexuality, and those who speak in medical terms. While the former usage is considered homophobic, the latter usage is considered insensitive because it hearkens back to the days when homosexuality was discussed as if it were a mental illness—no mainstream accredited psychiatric association in the United States takes this position anymore, and most haven't since the 1970s.
This is similar to how the word "negro" was once more neutral and could even have an unambiguously positive connotation (like in the "United Negro College Fund"), but it has become more distancing in modern culture and has been mostly replaced with "black" or "African American". While the term "homosexual" can still at times be used neutrally, it need not be preferred at the expense of the most mainstream neutral term "gay". In fact, to quite a few gay people (such as myself), the term "homosexual" is now considered even less sensitive than the traditionally derogatory terms "queer", "homo" and "fag"—the latter three can often be used between gay people without negative connotation (but non-gay people still mostly cannot use it), but even among gay people, "homosexual" has become increasingly stilted-sounding and considered a sign of implied disrespect when not used in an unambiguously positive manner. Even accredited psychiatrists and therapists are now discouraged from saying "homosexual" with their patients, as it is a "distancing term".
I'm not saying you should stop using the term, even in edits, but it may not be the wisest idea in neutral article text to prefer it outright over a more mainstream term like "gay". "Gay" is familiar and common, "gay" is short and easy to instantly understand. "Homosexual" is hyperclinical-sounding and today has an effect like an anvil. - Gilgamesh 01:24, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
It's been a tough week. I found myself pulled into another argument on another wiki in the past few days too, over the same Falco issue, and in particular whether a guy who never wants a girlfriend should be presumed to be straight anyway. Sometimes I doubt my own logic under stress, but I asked several of my friends who had read Farewell, Beloved Falco what their impression was from these pages, and they had the same conclusions I did. But considering I got under fire for this twice in only a few days, I fear this might be an issue that triggers what tvtropes calls an "Internet Backdraft"—a tendency for a topic to instantly attract angry arguments by simply being mentioned. But Star Fox fans who think about gay issues (whether those fans are actually gay or not) are ubiquitous in the fandom, and it seems inevitable that these issues come up again and again, as parodied by that VGCats stripped I linked to further up. I don't want to create trouble, see. But the Star Fox fandom also has what tvtropes calls "Broken Base"—adamant divisions between fans that are never reconciled. And when details are expanded in the canonical material, and fans are still never satisfied, it is something tvtropes calls "Unpleasable Fanbase". ...and I think you can easily guess that the other wiki I edit on is tvtropes. - Gilgamesh 03:46, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
I am going to say this now. I have never, ever, thought that any of the Star Fox characters were homosexuals. Not even a tiny bit. And I intend to keep thinking that way. Some of the lines in SFAssault seemed a little.... strange, but that can be easily attributed to Namco and Nintendo targeting the game at young audiences. Also, wow, you're gay and 30, BNK's black and 17, and I'm white, nerdy(and geeky), scrawny, and ADHD, and I'm almost 16. I never knew Star Fox had such a wide fanbase. --XSuperGamerTalk 20:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC) P.S. Yes, I know this wasn't my conversation but I just had to say something.
Sometimes I wonder if most teenagers are simply too young and inexperienced to know appropriate sensitivity and common wisdom in regards to LGBT people. This is part of why I wish this wiki had more adults. Teenagers are still, essentially, children—not to downplay their ultimate worthiness, but just a sign that they're still developing and have not yet reached full maturity. The thing is, there are a lot of Star Fox fans who are as old as I am, and older. Perhaps many of them just don't have the time that I do to edit wikis, but I tend to enjoy wiki editing, as long as the environment is friendly and cooperative. Lately, the environment has...become quite soured. I'm suddenly very acutely aware that I'm perhaps the only adult among teenagers, and I'm experiencing a combination of frustration and alienation. I keep expecting or hoping for seasoned gamer peers with a common interest and a common discussion experience. But I've been chewed out by two different angry fans in two days on two different wikis, and I really don't like getting into conflicts like what I have experienced recently. Nor do I want to be wary of a potential unseen conflict around every corner.
Recently, wondering if my wisdon was sound, I surveyed several of my friends who have played Star Fox 64 and read Farewell, Beloved Falco.
- American friend (gay) has long been aware of the LGBT content in Star Fox, and has long thought Falco in particular was gay.
- Thai/Australian friend (bi) thinks Falco is probably gay or asexual. He could possibly be straight if he's lying a lot.
- Another American friend (gay) had the straight-up impression—Falco is gay or asexual.
- Chilean friend (bi, prefers women) always thought Falco was asexual, but when he read the comic, he had his first new impression: "gay".
- American friend (straight) had one of the most interesting impressions. My Thai/Australian friend told me to ask more straight friend what they thought about this. I told him that gay people are just as capable of being objective as straight people, but he wanted to know anyway, so I asked the third American. This straight married American gamer friend thinks that, on its face, it means Falco is asexual. But he said more—since Star Fox is anthropomorphic (which widely appeals to a gay fan base), that makes it more likely that a bunch of the Star Fox characters are gay. Basically the increasing association these days: "If it's furry, it's probably gay."
Almost no one disputes that Leon is gay (in the Japanese version, he fools no one, being practically the stereotype of flamboyantly camp gay), and Wolf is like a Ricky Martin—if he outed himself tomorrow in a concrete canonical manner, very few people would be surprised.
Star Fox is actually not the first Nintendo franchise to have LGBT characters. Anyone remember Birdo in some of the Mario games? Wears a bow? Shoots eggs out of the mouth? Though referred to as "she" in English, he is actually a transgendered male (the "T" in LGBT). I could name off all sorts of LGBT characters in mainstream Japanese-made video games, anime and manga. Approaches to translating these characters differs. If a game is rated M for Mature (or sometimes T for Teen) and a character is LGBT, they're often just left as-is and translated without modifications. If a character appears sufficiently feminine (could pass for a woman), they're often gender-flipped in translation and referred to always as "she" (Zoicite in Sailor Moon, Caina in Wild Arms 2, Birdo in Mario, etc.). If the product is to be marketed in such a way that it includes young audiences and an LGBT character cannot be rewritten (the gay teen couple in Card Captor Sakura was rewritten as just schoolboy friends with their more intimate scenes cut), they are either cut out completely (Ash in Streets of Rage 3), or changed to "kissing cousins" (Sailor Moon famously did this with canon lesbian couple Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune), or the product itself is not localized at all. And sometimes a product originally intended for much younger viewers is retargeted in the West to adult audiences, such as anime that we often find playing in late night cable time slots. (A lot of adolescent-market anime is retargeted to college-age audiences in the U.S. InuYasha? Fullmetal Alchemist? Bleach? Their target audience is 12-year-old boys. Case Closed/Detective Conan was actually targeted to 5-year-olds but could only be shown to American adults because of its graphically violent murders and dead bodies in practically every episode.)
In fact, there's one animated family film in particular whose two main characters are young adult males (a goat and a wolf) who form a strong romantic love. The film is called Arashi no Yoru ni ("One Stormy Night"), and is sort of a cross between The Fox and the Hound, Romeo and Juliet, and Brokeback Mountain, but it's squarely a family film—considered one of the finer Japanese animated films ever made, nearly on par with Studio Ghibli. It was released in Japan and Taiwan, but nowhere else officially, because it's still rather hard to market this kind of movie in much of the world. However, it's been fully dubbed into English by a group of Australian sound engineers, and uploaded on YouTube, partially with the original production company's blessing, because the production company currently has no plans to localize it elsewhere.
It's perfectly okay to have an opinion that a character is gay or not gay, or anywhere inbetween, but this isn't always the most realistic assumption to make when the story was written in Japan and exported to other locales as secondary markets. Local markets have all sorts of different social mores (and this influences what products the companies choose to market and how they edit and market them), but unless it was developed in the same market it's sold in, it's usually a mistake to flatly assume that assumptions based on local regional culture are accurately applicable to the imported product. I know a lot about how social mores can change when you travel from region to region—I am an American-born American citizen, but I was raised abroad, where the culture was very progressive. In my teens, I moved to North America, and everything is far more conservative in general, and I found that many attitudes are quite judgmental or presumptive in areas I hadn't witnessed before, and there seems to be overall less tolerance/patience for diversity in culture and national background, particularly further away from the large cities. The United States is a very strange country, indeed.
Oh my, I seem to have written a wall of text. Sorry. When someone gets me going on a topic, I really keep going. - Gilgamesh 22:43, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- I applaud your walls of helpful information. Ironically, a while back, I entered conflict with a LGBT user at the MarioWiki because I thought he was vandalizing the Birdo page, but we eventually came to an agreement. Unfortunately, I failed to look more into the roots of certain things. I had no knowledge of North American censorship, and thus was very ignorant. Any of this in the Pokemon franchise? I might share some trivia myself; Jynx was thought to be a solid stereotyping figure of the average African human (woman) and was criticized by African-American critic Carole Weatherford. Jynx's appearance was eventually changed, and she now has purple skin and resembles more of what she was intended to be based off of; a singing humanoid creature. There is even debate about Jigglypuff's gender in the Super Smash Bros. series, Yoshi's sexuality and gender (although rare; many people just call him "gay"). Some consider Birdo to be a transgendered Yoshi, and the fact that she shoots eggs only from her mouth and does not lay them reflects a woman's inability to have children when her sex is changed (usually). Yoshi laying eggs sparks debate on whether or not he is actually male. I don't know for sure, but now that you've cleared the fog, I will be much more observant and less of an ignorant gamer. I can honestly say that I can accept Falco's p/homosexuality and Leon and Wolf's style of clothing, which may reflect their preferences.
- Another question: do you drive? If so, what car is it (Chevrolet, GMC, Dodge, etc.)? BNK [E|T|C] 23:23, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Permanent handicap. I don't drive. In fact I'm on permanently disability income. High-functioning autistic. Never been able to keep an ordinary job with an ordinary commute, at least for very long, before I burn out. The flipside of that is that I spend time reading and studying—a lot. I try to enrich myself however I can, and my IQ is moderately high. Then I use that knowledge to enrich wikis, and other helpful activities.
- Yes, Birdo is difficult to explain, but he is assuredly male. He actually pre-dates Yoshi, introduced in Doki Doki Panic in 1987 (originally a non-Mario game which was later given a cosmetic facelift as Super Mario Bros. 2 in 1988—many aspects of it were never really intended to make logical sense). Yoshi was introduced in Super Mario World (1991).
- And actually my knowledge of Pokémon is more limited—I played the first 1995 game, but was never interested in the later ones. They seemed more of the same. When I was young it worked for Mega Man games to have the same formula multiple times, but Pokémon seemed more...merchandise-driven, if that makes sense. I lost interest. I mean, I'm handicapped, but I've still been around the sun a lot of times, and I guess I'm inescapably an "older gamer", and certain newer popular games (like Grand Theft Auto and Guitar Hero) hold no interest for me.
- Also, while I want to have an ordinary intellectual discussion most of the time, I sense something. In your last couple of sentences, there is no sarcastic tone to them, is there? I mean, I do have a tendency to ramble and sound a bit stilted at times, but I tend to be very bad at lying. I hope I haven't come across as too condescending, have I? When I edit wikis, I'm mainly concerned about the facts and the additional relevant details (such as common reactions, critical reviews, etc.). As long as everyone is civil to everyone else and discusses wiki-related concerns in a civil, calm manner, then the details simply aren't personal, if that makes sense.
- I mean, I've also been under a lot of stress for days, and I still have chills running down my spine with every single reminder of the "ruin the series with homosexuality" comment. I mean, I know you're the young person, and I'm the older adult, and I've been trying to be the patient, calm, understanding adult here. But if you were an adult in a position of authority over other adults (and all the ethics rules involved), what you said could get you in a lot of trouble, or at least a great deal of friction with some of your editors—friction that was totally unnecessary to begin with. Unless I can reasonably rely on a civil editing environment without being wary of potentially incendiary treatment from administrators, I'm not entirely sure how to continue editing here, at least with the same level of productivity as I was before.
- It might sound unfair or perhaps even unreasonable of me, but when I edit on a wiki—any wiki—I expect other editors (and especially administrators) to treat me as an adult would want to be treated. So I treat wikis as more like a college or graduate school environment, where what we do and what we say and how we edit has to be more civil and more polished, if we indeed want the material we're working on to be taken seriously and judged as having good quality. It pays more to think deeply, and it pays less to lose one's temper for any reason. That's what seven years of Wikipedia editing has taught me. Though I still have significant flaws in editing style—I often still neglect to provide inline references in articles, though I really should do that more often. - Gilgamesh 06:30, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
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I want to be able to edit about any topics relevant to Star Fox canon and their notable fan base. However, as the fan base can be older than most of the editors currently on this wiki, I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable working with the more mature relevant topics when I'm not sure that I can rely on the people in charge here to respond in an appropriate tone and behavior. I mean, yeah, Star Fox has gay characters and some adult concepts, that Japanese writers didn't culturally consider something that needed to be shielded from Japanese children in their own family audience. And some of these things were translated very differently in localization. And even regardless of that, there's also an entire branch of the series audience (in the United States and many other countries) with a more mature-oriented bent. But if you're someone whose primary experience with Star Fox is sitting in front of a home television set playing Star Fox 64, it's not just a matter that you wouldn't know about all these additional details, but also that you may not be able to adequately understand them either, simply for lack of the appropriate maturity that can only come from years of experience. But as long as there are no other adults interested in Star Fox here whom I can reasonably count on to understand these things, I don't feel very comfortable being the only person here to write about them. Reasonably, any teenager who decided to edit here should have had to have known there might be mature relevant topics. But now that mostly teenagers are here, I feel like someone drinking beer in a children's library—to an outside observer, there are just so many things wrong with that picture. This wiki shouldn't have to be children-only or have child-only topics—it should be open to all relevant topics under the limits of Wikia's rules. But as someone with a handicap of my own, very often I need an adult, and I don't think I'm really qualified to be the adult in this wiki. It needs other adults who are also interested in Star Fox, besides me, involved in the wiki's activities. Because, to be honest, I really don't know how to talk about the more mature aspects of Star Fox and its fandom when the only people around are so young. - Gilgamesh 08:09, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
- I understand where you're coming from, to be honest; this is how I feel when I'm playing a Pokemon game. In the United States, Star Fox games are targeted at teen audiences. I'm surprised at your words... I am no child. I am capable of carrying out conversations with adults without much difficulty. I apologize, but I don't think there are many adult users in your exact condition around. You have me. In a good four-to-five years, I will be an adult, but now, I am all you have. There are other users, like DarkSamus, who are older, but DarkSamus is from Poland and tends to handle things immaturely. I don't want to brag, but I am an intelligent user. I agree with you about the Star Fox 64 thing... I actually know a lot about the Star Fox, Kirby, Pokemon, and Mario series myself and what I know is often subliminal to other people. For example, I'm probably the only person who realizes that Clubba's from the Paper Mario series are a species of Spike, an enemy from Super Smash Bros. 3. Age shouldn't be much of a problem, especially at an online encyclopedia. I actually feel that this is the start of a new friendship; don't doubt my conversation skills. I'm always here to talk (especially at the IRC channel). :) BNK [E|T|C] 21:53, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if you want to be friends, then I should let you know that I am still very, very angry, and by extension wary. But I try not to do anything I know to be counterproductive. Circumstances aside, reasons aside, it's not something to easily forget in just a day or even a week. You may have thought at the time that I was acting like a vandal to troll the wiki, but I was acting with a straight face and in good faith. You may not want to be homophobic, and that's admirable. But I'm still rather wary that your expectations and preconceptions may be underdeveloped in some ways. And heaven knows...I'm not really a good teacher. - Gilgamesh 00:12, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
- What, may I ask, makes you think I'm homophobic? Should I remind you how utterly stupid it is to be afraid of another human being? Or to view that being as inferior? Martin Luther King, Jr. said all men are created equal. Me thinking you were a vandal != (does not equal) me having some sort of fear of gay users. My comment was unnecessary, yes, but a lot of times vandalism occurs here. I was just letting out some steam, and in turn, typed what I typed. It behooves you not to hold a grudge, if that's what you're doing, but if you're going to, know this: I haven't any personal qualms with you. We could continue this conversation at the IRC channel, if you'd like. My talk page is getting reaching its maximum capacity. BNK [E|T|C] 00:53, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if you want to be friends, then I should let you know that I am still very, very angry, and by extension wary. But I try not to do anything I know to be counterproductive. Circumstances aside, reasons aside, it's not something to easily forget in just a day or even a week. You may have thought at the time that I was acting like a vandal to troll the wiki, but I was acting with a straight face and in good faith. You may not want to be homophobic, and that's admirable. But I'm still rather wary that your expectations and preconceptions may be underdeveloped in some ways. And heaven knows...I'm not really a good teacher. - Gilgamesh 00:12, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
You are no more of an adult than DS is. You both handled that situation poorly (when put nicely) and very immaturely + (s)he's from fucking Finland. 192.84.177.172 06:01, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not saying you are a homophobe. I'm saying that, after that, it's going to take some time to be alright. And I did visit the IRC channel several times—no one was there. - Gilgamesh 06:59, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
Inactivity
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Hello, BNK. I would like to apologize for my recent inactivity. Although I realize that my apology will not restore lost time, I will try to make up for it. I had been really busy lately in regards to school (specifically a word study), housekeeping, and other things. Please don't be mad.. (Wolf O'Donnell (talk · contributions) 06:44, April 17, 2010 (UTC))
The thing I don't like about taking pictures in Star Fox Assault
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Do you realize just how hard it is to hold a digital camera AND avoid being attacked/shot at the same time!? Plus there's the fact that you have to get in just the right angle, which is hard to do because the enemy keeps moving and you've got to keep moving so you won't get hit. And you also have to worry about making sure the shot isn't crooked. And you don't want the targeting reticle to appear on your subject if at all possible. And it's even worse when you're trying to take shots while flying in an Arwing!
In Adventures, unless I'm in a fight, I don't have to worry about any of that. --XSuperGamerTalk 16:10, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Hold up
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Ok, whoa, what's all this hostility between you and DarkSamus89? XSuperGamerTalk 16:46, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- DarkSamus's activity consists of nothing more than unblocking an IP address in spite of the IP's original blocker, me, because he's apparently angry over his failure to argue points correctly. I question his activity and I'm considering revoking his administrative abilities. It's not anything to worry about, though- DarkSamus seems to be unable to separate his personal feelings from what is best for the wiki. BNK [E|T|C] 19:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- And you blocked that IP address because of vandalism right? XSuperGamerTalk 19:54, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
You're considering deadmining me? Do you even realize what that tells about you? One can easily tell you've conducted this wiki on your own for far too long. You are unable to stand criticism and other users' opinions if they differ from yours. You think your opinion is absolute, the one and only. If someone argues your opinion and are not like "yes master" all the time, they are trolls to you. How can't you compensate the fact not everyone agrees with you? You never made a single move to bring an end to this. I did. And I do it again. I give you your final chance to fix this situation. Otherwise, I'm afraid I have leave this poor Wiki under this disgusting tyranny of yours. DarkSamus89 17:09, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
- ...If I were you, I'd quit the trolling and opt to leave. Your contributions to the wiki aren't really constructive anymore and it seems as though you're seeking out conflict. According to your standards, every Wikipedia administrator is a "tyrant trying to take over the world", so there go all of your generalizations about my use of abilities. I must say, however, that it has been quite the slice, but alas, we can't allow you to edit with your harsh emotions in control. For the record, I don't really have any personal qualms with you, and I'm pointing out now that your attempts to antagonize me are futile and immature. When you've made the decision to leave, let me know, and I will revoke your powers. Cordially, BNK [E|T|C] 21:54, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
Driven by XSupergamer's new points, I postpone my leaving just to get a couple of answers:
"We"? You're the one who started the "voting" bullshit, DarkSamus, but did I oppose that? No, it would have been "abusive", so I allowed that dumb incentive. Apparently, it isn't working. I still think that placing the gallery before the trivia is more logical, and the way you convinced this moron to oppose my idea was very insidious of you (something highly unexpected). While I'm here, both of you need to shut the hell up. Stop flooding this damned page; if you two have personal qualms, work it out on either of your own talk pages. Thanks, BNK [E|T|C] 23:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
Why did you ever write that? If you didn't write that message, we wouldn't be in this situation. I want you to explain this message. You just suddenly attack me there, without much visible reason, and even accuse me of something I didn't do. And your answer to my reply was just plain hostile:
Eeeeek! More grumpy people! ...Sigh... I thought we settled this stupid little war already. First of all, I have not tried to convince anyone to support either option, and if I really have, I have not done it intentionally. Also, I and Shanderson are not having any of these "personal qualms". You don't know how delighted I'd be if you just stopped considering me your personal nemesis. It makes it a lot harder for me to like being here... I no more am surprized why JimboJambo left... DarkSamus89 08:05, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
- I can't really take you all too seriously, DarkSamus, to be perfectly honest. If you're wondering why, look at your posts; what are you, eight? If I can remember correctly, you were the one accusing me of being "out to get you" because you were "five years older". Maybe you should try acting your age? Just a suggestion. Jimbo Jambo was a pest; the majority of his contributions were direct flames and a bunch of badgering. Nothing good would come of him, so it was beneficial that he left. By "personal qualms", I meant your childish argument with Shanderson (talk about "big boys"). He is right, however. This entire voting incentive is a waste of time; there isn't much need for it. Honestly! I don't hate you, either. I don't see any point in wasting my time hating people on the internet. Really, where is the logic in that? Last time I checked, you were an administrator, and I granted you those abilities because of your good faith edits and understanding of our few policies. Also, as an added note, I do not consider you a "personal nemesis", but a "good pal". I apologize if I appear hostile, but I'm simply arguing your points. Nothing personal. BNK [E|T|C] 17:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
I took your message not too seriously there, not saying anything I thought you'd get mad about, but you just exploded. Without a reason. Why? Is this your impression of being mature? You also seem to forget I still am one of the top contributors to this Wiki, so it wouldn't really be my loss to leave this Wiki, but this Wiki's and it's users. So seriously, please ponder your reply. If you are as mature as you claim, now is the time to prove it. Oh, and just as a small side-note, the reason for not contributing anything of your liking lately, is this war. If there was no war, I'd be contributing normally. Wouldn't want to do waste my time here if I'm about to leave. DarkSamus89 08:43, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Forgot to ask, why did you lie to me here? DarkSamus89 08:55, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
- That didn't help you much... if you left, the Wiki would still strive, as you really aren't that much of a contributor. Your "questions" are really personal attacks followed by question marks, so you won't get any answers unless you at least reword them or unless you stop pulling walls out of your ass. If you're going to leave, leave. So, which one is it? I'm not going to argue with you because it wastes time and your points are horrible; you're a very bad arguer, to be honest. BNK [E|T|C] 12:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
- DarkSamus didn't convince me to oppose you. There was no point in calling me a moron. It'd be really nice if we just left this alone and went back to editing like normal. And yes, I know that by writing this I'm not leaving this alone. 152.26.10.61 19:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Oh. Too bad. It would've been quite a step for you to admit a couple of mistakes for a change. But that was just what I could expected from you. I noticed during our arguments that you leave my valid points be, and instead just focus on flaming, blaming and trolling. And now that I selected a couple of valid points only, you fail at answering to any of them. So, I'd come to a conclusion I'm not alone with my poor arguing skills. It hurts me I wasted $60 for the Star Fox guides, but what hurts me more, is that this Wiki has to endure being littered with your self-righteousness.
This Wiki is poor, and will always be as long as you are here to prevent it from flourishing. Has any user ever thanked you about your style of conducting this Wiki? No. Dude984 doesn't certainly count, since he hasn't been here witnessing your recurring screw-ups. But has anyone complained about it? Oh yes. It has been a very poor performance indeed. Guess it comes inherently from people like you. I hope you've learned something from me (something highly unexpected), like to not accuse people of wrongs they've not done, among a myriad of other things.
I do not welcome you to my talk page on any Wiki from now on, unless it's going to be an apology (something highly unexpected). As a conclusion, I have to say, you are the hardest piece of person (no typo, can't just call someone without balls a person) I've ever met. And what comes to that bullshit you wrote in your that recent blog of yours, good luck finding some idiot who actually buys that. Congratulations. You've now got rid of 2 fellow admins with your ununderstandably unstable and aggressive nature.
Oh, and you should totally check this, since your knowledge on that matter seemed to be rather deficient. DarkSamus89 10:26, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- After everything that's happened, that is your post? Are you serious? Eh, good games. You're probably the 47th user to base opinions of me completely off of conspiratorial falsehoods (you claim that people complain about me, etc., when you don't have any proof to back these claims, and what's funny is that you are knowledgeable of this), so really, reading that wall was like watching a rerun on TV. For everything I say to you, you turn around and attempt antagonizing me in hopes that you might personally offend me... basically, all of your responses to mine are the same. None of them make sense. You kept trolling and adding to the fire, but then you were audacious enough to call me a troll... all because you wanted some words moved in a disorderly manner on an article. With your leave, I guess you won't be able to find any proof (not that any exists, anyway), but while you're gone, I suggest you work on your grammar, and afterwards, learn to come up with your own/new points rather than constantly repeating them (these "points", by the way, are all "lies", for lack of better word) and copying other peoples' styles of arguing, because when you don't know what you're talking about, you're automatically the argument's idiot, and the victor becomes clear. As I've said before, it's been a slice. I know you're going to read this message, but whether or not you reply is entirely up to you. Actually, I don't even know why I bothered replying; I've tried at your little game countless times and you play the same note like a broken record. By the way, you're leaving because you chose to leave; the decision wasn't anyone else's nor was it forced upon you. Nonetheless, have a lovely morning, --BNK [E|T|C] 12:35, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Aparoid Crawler Pictures
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Ok. Aparoid Crawler article will be written soon. Which one of these pictures do you want me to use for the infobox? If there are any that you want me to crop, let me know which ones. --XSuperGamerTalk 20:00, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, bad news. There's already an Aparoid Crawler page from where you changed the name of aparoid dragoon and then changed it back. So I gotta get rid of that redirect. --XSuperGamerTalk 20:02, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
- This one, and some of the others, will suffice. BNK [E|T|C] 20:10, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it's about that time again.....
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In about ten more days, it'll be time to put up the next fight on the battle map, but no one has made a motion to support or oppose my most recent suggestion. We need to encourage participation in the community. --XSuperGamerTalk 00:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- OK. BNK [E|T|C] 01:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- You yourself have still not voted on my suggestion for the fight of the month. XSuperGamerTalk 17:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind
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I'm going to expand your talk page one directory, because there are about five or six different things we need to talk about and I don't want it all on this page. The directory will be called "Admin Talk". It can be found here. Please don't be mad at me for this. --XSuperGamerTalk 17:30, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- That wasn't necessary... but try making a forum or blog entitled "Administrator's notice board" (preferably a forum). :) BNK [E|T|C] 22:04, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- How about I move it to an Arwingpedia project page instead? XSuperGamerTalk 23:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
what happened to everybody?
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Where's shanderson and canis and...... everybody else? XSuperGamerTalk 23:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know. BNK [E|T|C] 23:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
- I think it can best be explained with "school" and "loss of interest". Also, I'd like you to go to this forum page and make some suggestions. Just because. XSuperGamerTalk 23:27, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Dude
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Hey man, it's getting kind of slow around here. We need to find something exciting to do on the wiki. Or make some excitement.
ANYWAY, what I'm trying to say is, we need to generate some activity. We should all pitch in and just work on one page revising paragraphs and correcting spelling and grammar mistakes. And just have everybody work on it and make it perfect. --XSuperGamerTalk 14:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm going to redo Wolf's, Leon's, Pigma's, Panther's, and possibly Andrew's pages sometime. BNK [E|T|C] 00:08, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Next Month's Fight Suggestion
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I think someone other than me (meaning you) needs to suggest the next fight XSuperGamerTalk 22:02, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Did you not already suggest one? BNK [E|T|C] 22:11, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Not for June. Remember, I just put up the May fight yesterday. --XSuperGamer
*Facepalm*
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I thought you said you wern't going to use the internet to let your anger out anymore, but from what I have read on your talk page, you lied. Correct me if I heard you wrong. Canis Shepalute 19:12, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
It's too late now. What happened cannot be changed. I hate it too but I am currently working on a project with "you know who" so it really doesn't matter to me anyway. Anyway, we can't let incidents like that ruin the community. We should just forgive and forget. XSuperGamerTalk 21:55, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
@XSuperGamer: It's not as much the incindents as it is the fact that I had talked to BNK before about this same issue.
@Blue NinjaKoopa: I don't understand what that no is about. Were you saying that you won't correct me, or that you never said anything?
Canis Shepalute 03:58, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Need Help
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How do I put up a site notice? XSuperGamerTalk 13:53, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
orly
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nah it's all good in the hood babeh. Kperfekt Talk Is Cheap... But I Am Not. 04:55, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Hai
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Ohai BNK. I'm teh Yoshi mang. <3
IRC
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Hey, it's MX. I clicked the link for the IRC rooms, but I got nothing. ._. HALP
I have a mission for you.
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You need to encourage people to participate more in the Battle Map. Try putting up a site notice or something. Just get peopel involved. XSuperGamerTalk 21:28, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
- OK. Also, I sent you a Facebook request. BNK [E|T|C] 22:58, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, and Thank You. XSuperGamerTalk 23:16, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Next Featured Article
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How about Snowhorn? XSuperGamerTalk 23:38, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
How about General Scales? XSuperGamerTalk 00:49, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
Semi-protection
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Hello, I was wondering if you had any objection of my User Page being semi-protected? It had been the target of vandalism a while back, I wanted to semi-protect it as a precautionary measure. Thank you. (Wolf O'Donnell 05:45, July 6, 2010 (UTC))
- No one has done anything to your page that I've taken notice of recently. BNK [E|T|C] 22:07, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
Uh... BNK...
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I've been holding this back for a looooooooooong time, but I think you ought to read this. (this is not by me however, but the posts by "Flaming Cobra" are me) XSuperGamerTalk
http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8090
- Sign your comments, please.
- In response to the link: That truly is amazing. BNK [E|T|C] 02:26, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
So, can we regard any of that information as Canonical? XSuperGamerTalk 22:38, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think so. Forums and aren't reliable sources. BNK [E|T|C] 22:43, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
- However, It's well thought out and all of it makes perfect sense. XSuperGamerTalk 17:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
- How about we put it in the physics corner? Or maybe we should make a project page about it, with the poster's permission. BNK [E|T|C] 02:38, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't even think digital biscuit comes around gamewarden anymore, so we might not be able to get permission. but we could give credit. An entirely separate project page might be better than just putting it in the physics corner. XSuperGamerTalk 22:11, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
- How about we put it in the physics corner? Or maybe we should make a project page about it, with the poster's permission. BNK [E|T|C] 02:38, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
- However, It's well thought out and all of it makes perfect sense. XSuperGamerTalk 17:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Slippy VS Vulcain
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Vulcain clearly has more votes, but most are from ip addresses, which only count as half a vote according to the rules. Which means slippy still wins. Which might upset some people. Do you want to just say vulcain wins anyway? XSuperGamerTalk 15:25, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not going to answer this question for two reasons: A) It's stupid and B) You didn't answer my questions above. Stop being ridiculous. BNK [E|T|C] 20:27, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
How did a worthless pile of shit like you become an admin?
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Someone must have been even more dull than you to make you one, huh?
Please look over my revision.
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I currently changed a lot on the article "Sauria". You may wish to look at the history and see the changes since the revision by 71.203.255.170. Like I mentioned in the summary of my edit, I did a lot of rewording from "Saurian Locations" up to "SnowHorn Wastes and Ice Mountain". I replaced most of the "you"s with Fox and changed the verbs so that they are in agreement with the subject... I think. I'm not sure that everything that is there or everything that I changed is grammatically correct. It's probably a good idea to check behind me, BNK. XSuperGamerTalk 17:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
- That's all I asked of you. :$ BNK [E|T|C] 21:00, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
- So, you're sure it's all grammatically correct? --XSuperGamerTalk 16:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
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That you finally catch up, it's almost like 2-3 days for this one to catch up after my first post/edit. Other site usually right after first edit. >_> But I am pleasure by your kind post. --FredCat T.P. 13:23, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
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There's an IP whoes doing some really awful things to some of the pages, can you block him? Minifig-me, check out my page! bOiNg! 23:22, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Here's the link: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.106.136.49 Minifig-me, check out my page! bOiNg! 23:23, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Do you Know this guy?
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Do ya know the guy who created this wiki? Because I've had some pretty damn problems fixing my wiki.AnyGuy 04:45, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
Admin.
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Can I please be an Adminastrator? I've done alot of edits on this wiki, and I might make a couple pages. Tell me youre answer on my talk page.AnyGuy 21:29, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Notice
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Looks like you're back. I thought you left because the theme was "even crapper". Oh well. Click here
Houston, we have a problem
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I found a vandal. His IP is 77.93.2.81. He wrote something down in a foriegn language on the index, and I translated it, and it said innappropiate news that had nothing to do with Star Fox at all. He jabbered on about sexual related stuff and other shit in both the summary, and page.AnyGuy 13:42, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Hey, sorry I couldn't get back to you. This place isn't exactly dead, I've just been inactive during the school year. This summer I should return. Has this problem been fixed? BNK [E|T|C] 02:24, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I fixed it. By the way, I think XSuperGamer wants to be a bureaucrat. Do you think he deserves it?AnyGuy 22:32, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Not after what I wrote here. In fact, he probably thinks I deserved to be banned for conspiracy. I had some qualms about writing that, though, because I kind of like Xavier as a person. He might be a bit inconsiderate at times, -- nah, scratch that. Highly inconsiderate at times -- but sometimes I am too. He's not really a bad guy. I just figured it'd be best for all of us since it didn't look like he'd ever be coming back. But I'm more than willing to take it all back if we can all just forgive each other (no hard feelings, DS89 can come back)... and if BNK agrees to leave Lylat wiki forever.
- On a side note, I'm gonna talk about... me! omg AP exams tomorrow. When summer comes, I'll have to figure out how I can budget my time b/t video games, space colonization wiki, here, and... my first GF! oh my god! YAY! =D XSuperGamerTalk 16:23, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I fixed it. By the way, I think XSuperGamer wants to be a bureaucrat. Do you think he deserves it?AnyGuy 22:32, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
You're Back
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I understand, and I have no quarrel with you. This is just between you and DS. I admit I was a little revolted about you being a little tyrannical about you're powers (Which is why I decided to be involved in what RoyBoy told me to do), but we can all forgive. It may be hard for DS to forgive you, but we will see. So about being available on the site, um well if you had been back a little more sooner, I would have been helpful, but since I could do nothing for you, I decided to make myself useful somewhere else. And I have. On the The Pacific Wiki, I was made Bureaucrate and Adminastrator. I adopted the Saving Private Ryan Wiki as well, making me Bureau and Admin. On the Clone Trooper Wiki, I was made Admin. And, I own one wiki called Band of Brothers Wiki. So yeah I have my hands tied. But I'll see what I can do. Bye :D AnyGuy 22:44, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
Here is something important I can do. Someone created this page called Slippy toad, and we already have that page, so just wanted to let you know so you can delete it. AnyGuy 21:53, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Never mind, made it a redirect. AnyGuy 00:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Wow
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I think vandalism has been rampant on this wiki because I've seen pages with lots of random space inserted into it.
Can we make AnyGuy an admin so he can ban vandals the moment they pop up? --XSuperGamerTalk 02:30, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
- AnyGuy hasn't proven he deserves the tools. The fact that you, him, and Royboy attacked me behind my back is also a dimming factor. Someone productive will come along one of these days and save the place, just as the Kirby Wiki was saved. BNK [E|T|C] 03:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Dude, You don't know what I have been doing on this site.
Vandalism has been rampant, as X remarked, since you, X, and no local admins have been around over the summer. I resolved to skim through all of the contents to solve this.
I went through EVERY Photo on the site, and made every unused non-fanon photo used (Like putting them on pages).
Now, I am currently skimming through every Page on the site using the Special:Allpages thing. I have been adding categories to uncategorized pages, and you know what X said about those spaces? I discovered it was because of those tables that are being used as infoboxes. The pages that have them won't let you go to source mode, and no changes will be saved and only a few spaces will be added. However, you can finally save if you delete the tables. I have done that to most of them (Not all, because I'm not finished with seeing every page), and I have decided which ones are necessary for an infobox, and have done back-breaking work making replacement infoboxes (The ones I have made are Boss Infobox, Anglar Army Member Infobox, Weapon Infobox, and Planet Infobox), and adding them to the pages that I think are necessary for an infobox.
I am currently still on the pages starting with K, so I am not done fixing every page.
And I already apologized to you for telling Neo about you. I was just so mad at reading your behavior, and I thought you weren't worthy of adminship. Another factor was that I have been around this site long before I started editing, (a few years), and I noticed that DarkSamus seemed to be crucial to the site, since his edits were productive, and when I found out that you took away the rights of what I thought was one of the best editors on the site, my mind exploded, and I thought, "What kind of moron took away his rights?", and then I found out it was you.
The message I sent to Neo was in mad impulse, and it wasn't until later that I found out you changed when I read your message to me, and I have regretted my actions. I was a fucking moron when I said that, and I'm sorry okay?
I have been working hard for adminship, and your choice of words, "AnyGuy hasn't proven he deserves the tools" wasn't what I was expecting to hear, particulary after what I've been through.
To give you a heads up, I know how to be an administrator. I am an admin on The Pacific Wiki, and Clone Trooper Wiki. As a matter of fact, I am a Bureaucrate on The Pacific Wiki as well. I have also created a wiki myself. It's called Band of Brothers Wiki, and it's currently in development, which is why I have so little pages. AND, I adopted an abandoned site called Saving Private Ryan Wiki.
Seriously dude, I have worked so hard for this. --AnyGuy 05:27, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Good enough, just make sure that (slander off-Wiki) doesn't happen again in the future. Your recent numerous mainspace edits and handling vandalism, as I've seen, help your resume for an adminship request, by the way. BNK [E|T|C] 13:40, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Great, I'll fill in my request. --AnyGuy 14:54, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- BNK, do you forgive me? It was just an outburst. I think my main bad feelings against you started when you opted to merge with Lylat Wiki. I thought you were with them. But you're back now. If we had more people, we could be better than them. Also, what do you think about the portal I've created for the main page? --XSuperGamerTalk 14:06, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
Sysop
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Do you think I could become a sysop here? I kinda want to clean up around here such as deleting unused images, spam articles, etc. While I made 11 edits in one day on Pikmin Wiki, I became a sysop there so yeah. Please can I have the powers. Thanks. Conker's Bad Fur Day 21:16, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Er, no. Things are different here; you need to prove that you deserve the tools. Secondly, you'd have to request the tools via this page. I discourage requesting them now, as you haven't fulfilled said task of proving to the community that you'd use these abilities properly. BNK [E|T|C] 06:59, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
Can you believe this?!
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IP Adress 92.13.76.127 created a fan fic page named "Nig McCloud", but what makes me upset about this isn't the fanon, but the fact that he used the word "Nigger". Block him, and delete that page. AnyGuy 06:37, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Re:Administration
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Thanks for giving me the rights to use these tools. I will do whatever it takes to get rid of vandalism. AnyGuy 21:45, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Wiki
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BNK, do you still come here? (Wolf O'Donnell 03:23, September 6, 2011 (UTC))
- Yes, welcome back. BNK [E|T|C] 03:27, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry about the silly question. I wasn't here because I thought the Wiki moved. (Wolf O'Donnell 03:30, September 6, 2011 (UTC))
- We were trying a merge, but we've remained separate and are instead allies (meaning we won't compete). BNK [E|T|C] 03:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Oh...I didn't know that. I apologize for my absence. (Wolf O'Donnell 03:57, September 6, 2011 (UTC))
- We were trying a merge, but we've remained separate and are instead allies (meaning we won't compete). BNK [E|T|C] 03:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry about the silly question. I wasn't here because I thought the Wiki moved. (Wolf O'Donnell 03:30, September 6, 2011 (UTC))
Weedle McHairybug for SySop tools
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Since Weedle McHairybug made his first edit here, he has been doing considerable work cleaning up pages, and adding vital info. I think he is liable to Request Adminship. What do you think? AnyGuy 19:53, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I do agree. BNK [E|T|C] 21:03, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm a bit reluctant to take the role of admin, given some pretty bad experiences with them on BMGf and SPPf. Not to imply anything about your statuses, but the admins/mods I encountered on the sites I mentioned often tried to use their power to hurt people, and I really don't want that. Weedle McHairybug 21:15, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, you can make a difference Weedle by not doing so. If they do that, well they are just terrible admins. --AnyGuy 21:18, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm a bit reluctant to take the role of admin, given some pretty bad experiences with them on BMGf and SPPf. Not to imply anything about your statuses, but the admins/mods I encountered on the sites I mentioned often tried to use their power to hurt people, and I really don't want that. Weedle McHairybug 21:15, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
Bureaucrate rights
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Hey Blue Ninjakoopa, could I be promoted to bureacurate? We do need more than one, and I am a little more active. Please tell me if you think so. AnyGuy 21:51, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not comfortable with handing out those rights at the moment. Administrative abilities are the same bar being able to promote other users. BNK [E|T|C] 22:57, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, it's just that I'm a little concerned about the lack of bureaucrates, because if one leaves for a long time, we won't be able to remove the rights of troublemakers, or promote some that can help out.
By the way, I think Redskin deserves his promotion now. --AnyGuy 03:42, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
My Admin rights
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While only 2 people have voted on my Adminship request, I think that it is time that I get my rights. I doesn't look like anyone else is going to vote, and seeing that AnyGuy's activity is slowing down, someone needs to take over. (Just last week a spam page lasted on the Mainspace for a whole day before AnyGuy got on to delete it, of course this is not his fault.)
I created the Black Hole page, Blue Ninjakoopa.
Nitrome Wiki
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Hello, BNK. I am a user from the Nitrome Wiki. Please rejoin us! Your friend Crystal Lucario has left, but the wiki is doing great. Please consider coming to the wiki again. This message was sent by: NTPYTO Note: The Head admins are now: NOBODY and Santi. Hope to see you soon!
I created the Black Hole page.
Video Game Olympics
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Hello, my name is Nic and I'm a member of the Wikia Development Team. We are going to be running a Video Game Olympics promotion, where we determine which game characters would be most suited to win certain Olympic events. A character from your wiki has been selected as one of the participants of this promotion. In order to promote this, we would like to add a participant badge to your main page in the top right column. Would you be willing to participate in this promotion? It's totally up to you whether or not you add the badge. Please respond accordingly. Thanks. - Wagnike2 (talk) 17:29, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Rollback
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Hello. If you would allow it, can I have rollback rights? I check the wiki almost daily, and almost no other users on this wiki any longer. Thanks if you reply.Kingkillerbee (talk) 00:39, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
Related Videos Module
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Hi, my name is Nic and I'm a member of the Wikia Content Development Team. As you may have seen on many wikis such as Call of Duty, there is a new module for the right hand column that displays related videos to the Wiki. This is a new feature that we want to place on your wiki, would you be cool with allowing this? The module can be seen on any page, here is an example - Wagnike2 (talk) 17:58, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
hi im StarFoxFan and im kinda new here on star fox wiki but i have all the star fox games and i know a hell of a lot more than the average 'fan' ive been viewing arwing pedia for a while now and i have wanted to edit false facts but since i became a member of wikia i have put things straight my main point of this message is that i would like to become an administrator of this site so i can -- protect against vandalism and false facts and use this site with honor :D i hope you understand that this means a lot to me and i hope i can hear fom you again
StarFoxFan (talk) 16:44, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
Still here...?
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BNK, do you still come here? (Wolf O'Donnell (talk) 09:52, November 17, 2012 (UTC))
A user on this site has recently posted VERY explicit and inappropriate photos on StarFox Photos.
Please ban them if possible.
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles
21:02, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
A Star Fox fan
URGENT: There is content on your wiki that is innapropriate beyond belief. The user is Ntm33. If you want links to the content, they are as follows...
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sex.jpg and http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nood.jpg
I highly urge you to remove these photos. Please. They are completely innapropriate, and I'm getting sick. Thank you!
TheWolvesBook (talk) 01:59, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
